tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post8691553299791415475..comments2023-08-25T21:58:53.800+02:00Comments on Old Apostolic Church revealed: Doctrine - Imaginative testimonyEx-OAC critichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01706738902142655667noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-70689196207708652312020-12-30T03:24:59.069+01:002020-12-30T03:24:59.069+01:00@Xolani, some points and references for you to pon...@<b>Xolani</b>, some points and references for you to ponder:<br /><br />I am a:<br /><b>humble <i>(i.e. NOT proud)</i></b><br />[PRO 8:13, PRO 16:5, PRO 16:18-19, PRO 18:12, ECC 7:8, MAR 7:21-23, LUK 1:50-52, ROM 11:20, 1 TIM 6:17-19, JAM 4:5-6, 1 PET 5:4-6]<br /><b>Christian <i>(i.e. NOT apostolic)</i></b><br />[ACT 11:26, ACT 26:28-29, 1 PET 4:16-19]<br /><br />A <b>Christian</b> is a follower of <b>Christ</b>. An <i>apostolic</i> is a follower of a <i>false apostle [2COR 11:13-15]</i>.<br /><br />There is only <b><i>one Apostle</i></b> spelled with a capital letter, and He is also the High Priest of our profession, His Name is <b>Christ Jesus</b> <i>[HEB 3:1]</i>. He is the only <b><i>living Apostle</i></b> that can send the <b>Comforter</b> <i>[JOH 16:7]</i> which is the <b>Holy Ghost</b> <i>[JOH 14:26]</i>. Furthermore, <b>Jesus</b> only chose <b><i>twelve apostles</i></b> when He was physically here on earth and He gave them power to <b><i>heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease</i></b> [MAT 10:1-4, LUK 22:14, REV 21:10-14]. Paul was the <b><i>last and the least</i></b> of all the apostles to see <b>Jesus</b> <i>[1COR 15:7-9]</i>. Paul wrought the signs of an apostle among the Corinthians in patience,<br /><b><i>signs</i></b>,<br />and <b><i>wonders</i></b>,<br />and <b><i>mighty deeds</i></b> [2COR 12:12].<br /><br />When the <b><i>eleven apostles</i></b> chose another to take Judas' bishoprick, it had to be someone that:<br /><b><i>1. was with them all the time that Jesus went in and out among them,<br />2. beginning from the baptism of John unto the same day that Jesus was taken up from them,<br />3. only one would be ordained that was also a witness of Jesus' resurrection.</i></b><br /><br />Only <b><i>two</i></b> out of the about an <b><i>hundred and twenty disciples</i></b> met the three criteria set out above to qualify as an apostle, namely:<br />1. Joseph Justus (Barsabas)<br />2. Matthias<br /><br />The <b><i>eleven apostles</i></b> then prayed to the <b>Lord</b> to show which of these <b><i>two</i></b> He had chosen to take part of the ministry and apostleship from which Judas had fallen. The lot fell upon Matthias to be numbered with the <b><i>eleven apostles</i></b> [ACT 1:12-26]. These apostles didn't go around ordaining more apostles after that, they built church communities and ordained elders as <b><i>bishops</i></b>, and <b><i>deacons</i></b> to serve tables in their communities <i>[ACT 6:1-7, PHP 1:1-2, 1TIM 3:1-13, 2TIM 4:22, TIT 1:5-9, TIT 3:15]</i>.<br /><br />The <b>Christian</b> church is built upon the foundation of the above mentioned apostles (New Testament) and prophets (Old Testament) of which <b>Jesus Christ</b> is the chief corner stone <i>[EPH 2:19-22]</i>. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is <b>Jesus Christ</b> <i>[1COR 3]</i>.<br /><br />Now I have the following questions for your <b><i>“modern-day Apostles”</i></b> who claim to have the “office” of <b><i>Apostle</i></b>:<br />1. who ordained you as an <b><i>Apostle</i></b>?<br />2. when did you see <b>Jesus of Nazareth</b>?<br />3. in which hospitals and clinics are you healing people of <b><i>all sicknesses and diseases</i></b>?<br />4. which <b><i>signs, wonders and mighty deeds</i></b> have you performed and where?<br />5. when were you with the <b><i>eleven apostles</i></b> while <b>Jesus of Nazareth</b> was preaching, from the time John baptised Him till the time He was taken up from them into heaven?<br /><br />* <i>all verses used as reference were found in the KJV and AFR 33 translations</i>Uxolohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06679688786100434955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-19633577909075560592020-03-03T00:48:21.483+01:002020-03-03T00:48:21.483+01:00Wow very insightful brother. I'm not one too p...Wow very insightful brother. I'm not one too proud to say i have heard when i have.Xolanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06679688786100434955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-74605949971503051842020-02-18T13:12:50.737+01:002020-02-18T13:12:50.737+01:00Do you know what will be helpful? State the facts ...Do you know what will be helpful? State the facts as you see them, point by point if possible. Let me give an example:<br />"A" says the apple is green, but I don't believe "A" because I personally have a red apple.<br />Anybody can just make a broad statement and say it's a lie, but to refute an argument you need to state facts or give references. On this blog it would be especially useful to quote from the Bible as the standard of truth.Ex-OAC critichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01706738902142655667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-53862739825905804022020-02-18T12:46:13.547+01:002020-02-18T12:46:13.547+01:00Mr. Nwisdom, YOU HAVE THE CAT BY THE TAIL!!!! I...Mr. Nwisdom, YOU HAVE THE CAT BY THE TAIL!!!! I'm an OAC, and you lie thru your teath!!!! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13133884718863943941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-76114894522752487322020-01-11T16:47:28.590+01:002020-01-11T16:47:28.590+01:00They believe in the doctrine of Klibbe not in God....They believe in the doctrine of Klibbe not in God. They still practice the word of Klibbe even after so many years. God is a human to them. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514131986250194210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-61457223619798585472019-05-21T02:04:56.616+02:002019-05-21T02:04:56.616+02:00@ Anonymous:
Also according to my KJV Bible, Jesus...@ Anonymous:<br />Also according to my KJV Bible, Jesus didn’t tell His disciples that the world would hate them because they were “Apostolics” or because they were called apostles.<br /><br />Jesus sent His twelve apostles to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and He warned them that He was sending them as sheep in the midst of wolves. They would be delivered up to the councils, scourged in the synagogues, brought before governors and kings for Jesus’ sake, and hated of all men for Jesus’ name's sake (Mat 10:5-22). The OAC on the other hand never preach Jesus or His Name, they preach about themselves, their self appointed apostles and their “apostolic way of life”…<br /><br />Jesus warned Peter, James, John and Andrew that they would be delivered up to councils, beaten in the synagogues and brought before rulers and kings for Jesus’ sake. They would be hated of all men for Jesus’ name's sake (Mat 24:3-9, Mar 13:3-13). Which of the OAC’s apostles have ever been beaten in the synagogues and brought before rulers and kings for Jesus’ sake?...<br /><br />Jesus told His disciples (of which He had more than 12) that if the world hated them, they should know that it hated Him before it hated them. The reason why the world would hate them is because they are not of the world because Jesus chose them out of the world (Joh 15:18-19). The OAC also hate Jesus because they deny Him by referring to themselves as the resurrected Christ… The blood that He physically shed on the cross means nothing to the OAC because they believe in their own blood and their own works…Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00584233293671073352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-87808621823926689992019-05-20T23:31:46.520+02:002019-05-20T23:31:46.520+02:00@ Anonymous:
I don’t know which version of the Bib...@ Anonymous:<br />I don’t know which version of the Bible you’re reading but according to my KJV Bible, Jesus never said to His original 12 apostles that they were "a city set on top of a mountain, one that never disappears", but He did tell the great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan that followed Him and His disciples “Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid” (Mat 4:25, Mat 5:1, Mat 5:14, Mat 7:28-29). The OAC and their apostles are not exactly "a city set on top of a mountain…", especially since they’re so secretive and their “policy that does not allow the Church or its Officers to participate formally on social media”…Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00584233293671073352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-37865554689661167502019-05-18T16:07:27.737+02:002019-05-18T16:07:27.737+02:00My comment didn’t use scripture to prove or dispro...My comment didn’t use scripture to prove or disprove anything; I was merely stating a fact. That’s why I referred you to those two posts which make detailed use of scripture. When Jesus said "love your neighbor as you love yourself" He was most certainly talking to all of us (Matthew 5:1) because He was quoting Scripture and elaborating on it (Leviticus 19:9-18, Matthew 5:43-48, Matthew 19:16-19, Matthew 22:34-40, Mark 12:28-34). His apostles and disciples spread the same message (Romans 13:8-14, 1 Corinthians 13:1-3, Galatians 5:1-15, James 2:1-13).<br /><br />The message of your modern day apostles is exactly what Jesus warned us against.<br />Matthew 24:23-28 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.<br /><br />You believe your modern day apostle and that’s why you “see a Need for a living Apostle in this day and beyond” because they convinced you that the Apostle and High Priest of our profession isn’t Jesus Christ of Nazareth.<br /><br />I discussed this in further detail here:<br />Doctrine - OAC’s version of Jesus http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2017/06/doctrine-oacs-version-of-jesus.html<br /><br />For the record the word “apostolic” is not written anywhere in the Bible. We do however read of Christians and that the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch (Acts 11:25-26). Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ almost convinced king Agrippa to become a Christian (Acts 26:28-29). If any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf (1 Peter 4:16). Furthermore, after the apostles were sent out to evangelize the world to become Christian, they ordained bishops (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 2 Timothy 4:22, Titus 1:5-16, Titus 3:15) and deacons (1 Timothy 3:8-13). Christianity has continued to grow worldwide ever since then, so Jesus certainly wasn’t lying.<br /><br />As for the rest of your remarks, that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to your opinion.Ex-OAC critichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01706738902142655667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-13639326557273411192019-05-18T06:40:10.047+02:002019-05-18T06:40:10.047+02:00Brother, you still haven't disproved the exist...Brother, you still haven't disproved the existence of modern-day Apostles using scripture, which by the way you are very good at. Funny you should say Jesus wasn't talking to the Ninows and the Klibbes but when he says "love your neighbor as you love yourself" then he is suddenly talking to me and you.<br /><br />I think you are too patriotic in your beliefs and that makes you very biased. Sure there were schims in their church after more than 2000 years of its existence, big surprise huh. What I'm getting out of all this is that ya'll who are not Apostolics don't like them Apostles very much till this day as Jesus told the original 12 that the world would hate them.I am happy to report that whenever i read the bible, especially the New Testament i see a Need for a living Apostle in this day and beyond, otherwise then Jesus was lying when he called them "a city set on top of a mountain, one that never disappears" but then again you are going to say "oh no that's could be reference to anyone who receives christ, not necessarily an Apostle". Very subjective way to read your bible and it's very dangerous. Xolanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06679688786100434955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-81935800066931207402019-05-17T18:33:55.044+02:002019-05-17T18:33:55.044+02:00In Matthew 10:41-42 Jesus wasn’t speaking to Weyit...In Matthew 10:41-42 Jesus wasn’t speaking to Weyitile or Dywili or Slara or van Wyk or Nong or Robus or Mthethwa or Samuels or Foreman or Smit or Mtembu or Chakulunta or Vermaak. If you read the beginning of Matthew 10 you’ll see the names of the twelve apostles and you’ll see that He sent them to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and this was long before the OAC was founded by Klibbe and followed by Ninow, Campbell etc.<br /><br />The following two posts address your questions in further detail:<br />Doctrine - Apostles today: http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2016/08/doctrine-apostles-today.html<br />History - The schism tree: http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2016/08/history-schism-tree.htmlEx-OAC critichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01706738902142655667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-14470328172859009092019-05-17T10:45:49.086+02:002019-05-17T10:45:49.086+02:00To answer your question,brother i will use the lit...To answer your question,brother i will use the little knowledge i have of the bible. In the book of Matthew10v41-42 Jesus said to his Apostles as he was sending them "those who receive you receive me and the father and those who receive you not, reject me and the father" so in short my concept of being saved is to receive Jesus through his Apostles and do his will.If anyone can disprove the existence of modern-day Apostles then i would gladly turn to the bible to receive Jesus, brother. Xolanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06679688786100434955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-25500533036461083932019-05-14T21:37:09.035+02:002019-05-14T21:37:09.035+02:00It’s easy to believe in oneself and one’s own abil...It’s easy to believe in oneself and one’s own abilities for as long as you have them. Unfortunately for you, yourself and your abilities are limited and temporary and can only take you so far and no further. There’s a spiritual realm which is unseen where physical abilities are of no effect, the supernatural isn’t a parable or an allegory, and it is very real. Therefore my hope and faith is in my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, He overcame death so that we can live through Him. You may have heard about Him but it’s clear you don’t know Him and I would like to introduce Him to you:<br />The REAL Jesus: http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2016/08/the-real-jesus.html<br />Jesus is the ONLY Messiah: http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2016/08/jesus-is-only-messiah.htmlEx-OAC critichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01706738902142655667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-35306790781996192372019-05-14T19:40:52.370+02:002019-05-14T19:40:52.370+02:00As a non-believer and an atheist i easily associat...As a non-believer and an atheist i easily associate with the oac because i believe in myself and my own abilities just like the oac. It’s the only thing that makes sense to meAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-22297488561687826242019-05-13T20:31:43.347+02:002019-05-13T20:31:43.347+02:00As a non-believer, what is your concept of being s...As a non-believer, what is your concept of being saved by the OAC? How do you think they can save you and what do you understand by being saved?Ex-OAC critichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01706738902142655667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-10004284539881638342019-05-13T11:46:14.664+02:002019-05-13T11:46:14.664+02:00I personaly am a non-believer but i did go to chur...I personaly am a non-believer but i did go to church with my parents as a young boy. If i did believe in god however i would associate myself with the oac. None of what the other churches teach make any sense whatsoever (including the one i went to). Starting with the concept of being saved, i mean how can one claim to be saved when the savior is to comeXolanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06679688786100434955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-27058192611775305142019-02-23T15:36:44.516+01:002019-02-23T15:36:44.516+01:00Also ex OAC member. You have done an in depth anal...Also ex OAC member. You have done an in depth analysis and well presented the crux of the matter and nothing has been lost in the detail.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00584233293671073352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-8439744527462583272019-02-20T23:30:47.272+01:002019-02-20T23:30:47.272+01:00Please feel free to share your insights on the cru...Please feel free to share your insights on the crux of the matter.Ex-OAC critichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01706738902142655667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-2671215879049087642019-02-20T21:43:20.534+01:002019-02-20T21:43:20.534+01:00Also ex OAC member. You have done an in depth anal...Also ex OAC member. You have done an in depth analysis and well presented but the crux of the matter has been lost in the detail.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738360740533785642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-92221554659673462612018-09-17T17:45:11.866+02:002018-09-17T17:45:11.866+02:00I followed the whole conversation and came to this...I followed the whole conversation and came to this conclusion, This officer of the oac Has not read one text ,you quoted. He was just <br /><br />waiting for your comment so that he could carry on with the testimony<br /><br />plan they teach, of their church. I have not seen such a blind man<br /><br />like this officer in a long time. These people firstly don't know how <br />to read the bible. The text used is all out of context pertaining to<br />the Truth . The bible warns us against them. But you are doing a <br />great job trying to save them. I just want to say unto them, (oac) that Heaven and Hell is real. You still have a chance to repent. shalom. Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15398025101137799136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-82355143220282593182018-06-29T23:15:57.512+02:002018-06-29T23:15:57.512+02:00You’re entitled to your ad hominem opinion :-)You’re entitled to your ad hominem opinion :-)Ex-OAC critichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01706738902142655667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2425669952325692452.post-69810604257311114262018-06-28T13:07:15.652+02:002018-06-28T13:07:15.652+02:00Either you have not been to their church or you ar...Either you have not been to their church or you are an ex-member that feels agrivated by something thats has been said that hits the spot that was true and hurt because you were not living itAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16706663386623967555noreply@blogger.com