Old Apostolic Church revealed: Doctrine

Thursday, 1 June 2017

Doctrine - OAC's version of Jesus

Your “owergestelde” has spoken...

The OAC Confession of Faith states that they believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God. OAC members will also freely proclaim that they believe in Jesus Christ and that they believe He is the High Priest of their church. On the surface these statements are exactly what one would expect from a Christian organization, and to any outsider such statements would not raise any eyebrows. That is, until you start to scratch beneath the surface and realize OAC members are not referring to the historical and Biblical Jesus of Nazareth who was physically crucified approximately 2,000 years ago.

When OAC members refer to “Jesus Christ”, then they’re actually referring to themselves collectively. The “Jesus Christ” that the OAC believe in is not the same historical and Biblical Jesus Christ that Christians believe in. OAC members refer to Christians who believe in Jesus as the “world”. The OAC believe they are the Jesus that has returned even though the Old Apostolic Church was only registered for the first time in 1927 after splitting away from the New Apostolic Church.

The OAC “apostolate” explains the occurrence of the birth of Jesus as follows:

“...1.8.1. Joseph represents Man, and Mary the receptive heart or mind of man.

( Read Eph 2:13-22)

1.8.2. The birth of Christ, the gift of God, takes place by the seed of gospel being sown in the mind of man (Mary) to grow and develop there, until the “NEW MAN” is born and become visible.

1.8.3. The “NEW MAN” is the spiritual being which concentrates on spiritual things that are eternal. ( Read 2 Cor 4:18)

1.8.4. Mary gives birth to Jesus, the Bread of Life, in Bethlehem, which means “EATING PLACE” or “HOUSE OF BREAD”.

1.8.5. The Shepherds represent those who take care of their sheep ( their church members, souls) in the night ( darkness, ignorance).

1.8.6. Christ, the Sun of Righteousness ( which shines in the Heavenly Day), has risen to drive out all darknesd.

1.8.7. Simeon and Anna in the temple represent the old man, who reveal the “NEW MAN” , the “DEED” in their activities in the Church of God....”

The OAC Sealing document under the heading ‘THE REBIRTH: SECONDLY BY THE BLOOD’ states: “...through the sacrificing of his blood today for me through his anointed officers who labored, sacrificed themselves for me by doing so were my transgressions blotted out I was reconciled onto God...”

The OAC Sealing document under the heading ‘THE REBIRTH: THIRDLY BY THE SPIRIT’ states: “...I am not the apostle but merely a servant of the Apostle (Hebrews 3 declares (“Consider the Apostle and High Priest of our Profession Christ Jesus) which is the entire church...”

The current teaching in the OAC Home Tuition Calendar teaches: “...the ascension of Jesus Christ for us and our ascension with Him, as members of His glorified body, who had risen from the grave. The ascension of Jesus Christ is an important spiritual anchor for the Church. It already started when He saw the multitudes and then went up on the mountain to bless them, for they are the salt of the earth and the light of the world...”

“...Jesus said that He is the living bread that came down from heaven, and if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. He said that the bread that He shall give is His flesh, which He shall give for the life of the world. Our neighbour and fellow members in His body are the true bread from heaven and eating (utilizing) them, according to God’s will, shall give us life forevermore...”

According to an OAC member, “apostle” Nong said the following: “…Apostle Nong said that Jesus is the anointed spirit within each of us .. And Christ is the body which is all of us.. And Apostle Nong also said that those who believe that Jesus was a baby and a natural human being was in the wrong school of study.. Why would we question the Apostle that was sent to us by God?…”

According to another OAC member, “apostle” Modise said the following: “…Apostle Modise once asked “was Jesus tall, short, thin, fat, etc?” – though he was born physically it doesn’t matter anymore to us because we have come to understand the full spiritual interpretation that Christ is the word that became flesh in us n whoever so believes un this word will inherit the kingdom amongst us...”

An OAC “overseer” said: “...We are the Lord Jesus Christ...”

An OAC “priest” wrote: “...The man Jesus who lived 2000 years ago never stood up again. Rather, a resurrection in a glorified body. So there was one now many. Jesus is born and is the first to accomplish the plan of salvation. And does everything as predicted so that the scripture can be fulfilled. He is crucified to the natural. On the cross He tells his mother. Mother behold your son son behold your mother. A sign that the Son is going to become a body now. Where He was one, it will now be many. Jesus says. In Your hands I command My Spirit. Many think the hands of the Father are far away with a God with a beard and a great book. But the hands where his Spirit is are his Apostles for whom he has given all his power and might .. power over unclean spirits. Power to heal. Power to bind in heaven and earth. Understanding the Scriptures. Jesus himself explained that if a seed dies in the earth then a plant comes up with many seeds. The plant is the same as the seed. Jesus was the seed and died. A new plant that was raised a glorified body or oac. Jesus had plus minus 300 followers. But the resurrected body of the Church takes up thousands of souls every year. So the works are greater. The Jesus who died on a wooden cross at that time did not rise to the flesh but rather in us that are born again...”

OAC "priest" denies Jesus' resurrection, he hasn't read Luke 24:36-43 etc. yet

Another OAC “priest” wrote: “...Whatever your concerns, worries or desires are, go to the man that God has placed in front of you and allow him to save you with his advice. He is not simply the man you see with your eyes, but God has seen fit to place the only saviour FOR YOU, within him. Don’t look at him as your “over placed” Priest but as your servant, your guide, your friend and your altar. Ask him for all you want because God has placed himself within that man especially for YOU. If you are too proud or ashamed to tell him the truth or ask him what you want, that’s your loss until the day you try it. Give him all your confessions, all your concerns and thank him sometimes if you have come to understand that what you have received in life is not by your own cleverness, or good works. It is all by the grace of God. Sometimes it is hard to see the shepherd God has put there for us. Maybe he is too ugly, too poor, too old or uneducated to my mind of reasoning. But within him is the Lord. Put your trust in him. Forget the Jesus of imagination who has no flesh or human form. Christ is within us and has come. Love the people you see who are more or less the same as you. They are called Apostolics they are the living body of Christ...”

Another OAC “priest” wrote: “...As Christ is the Apostle gift in man, we do say Apostel Scholtz and so it not strange to say Christ Jesus. We don't say [name withheld] Brother. We say Brother [name withheld]...

...I am also a Son of God and am known as Priest [name withheld]. Jesus of Nazareth showed you at the last supper that his body will in future consist of many members yet one body...

...The Son Jesus Christ is come and that is what we confess, so Jesus of Nazareth was the first vessel in which the Christ was manifested. We know Jesus Christ who God has sent presently and if you don't know, you need to be born again of water and Spirit...

...I have never been Jesus and am only part of the Jesus body in which the Christ lives. If you knew Jesus Christ of today, you will know the body of Christ is the Jesus today...

...1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Jesus is the same always because all flesh is the same; 1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away...

...Eternal life is through my spiritual parents yes. Although the gift is in you, you still need to be part of the body. Should you allow the word to become flesh in your life, then you are putting on Jesus Christ...”

An OAC “underdeacon” wrote: “...We must not cling to the "Jesus" of 2000 years ago, remember, His "glorification" means "multiplication" ... so today we are that very body of Christ! So, because we are collectively a very large body, the wonders are so much greater, still the work of God through His Son ... and we are His Son in today's time...”

OAC member #1 wrote: “...Dit is Hoekom Ek Psalm 23 Altyd Lees ek het net een HERDER en Dit is God(My PRIESTER)...”

For those of you who don’t understand Afrikaans, this member is saying “…That is Why I always read Psalm 23 I have just one SHEPHERD and It is God(My PRIEST)...”

OAC member #2 wrote: “...it is o paramount importance to be obedient to the word of your over placed; Priest...”

OAC member #3 wrote: “...Onthou net een ding. Daar was nooit n physical Jesus op aarde nie... Jesus praat deur gesindhede, wat diere of mens kan wees... wat nie die physical human body is nie...”

For those of you who don’t understand Afrikaans, this member is saying “...Just remember one thing. There was never a physical Jesus on earth... Jesus speaks through attitudes, which could be animals or a person... which isn’t the physical human body...”

OAC member #4 wrote: “…The world out there are still awaiting the return of Jesus Christ and yet, He has arrived in this wonderful body that we are members in particular of…”

OAC member #5 wrote: “…I am equal to Jesus, so I am also the Lord and so you are and everyone in our church…”

OAC member #6 wrote: “…Jesus Christ was/is/will be coming in the flesh ( human mind) as the incorruptible seed that is sown by the Sower. Jesus Christ performing miracles and wonders within your mind even today as it was in the beginning…”

Another OAC member regarding the real Jesus mockingly asked: “…tell me your human flesh jesus did he tell what colour he was lol was he red or white black brown orange lol what was his skincolour i wonder if he was a japanese lmklaaa then mabe he was a robot mannekie who can walk on water lol no he will shortcircuit oh my gosh what now…”

Regarding the Immaculate Conception, an OAC member wrote: “…And this I declare, I can not become pregnant with WORDS, but SPIRITUALLY I can and give birth to our Lord and saviour And sing to the MOUNTAINS“ my SOUL doth Magnify the Lord”. Miraculous conception indeed, please tell me again how does it happen naturally, My Lord and saviour did not come about this way, in a manger in the crib of my mind, a filthy stable, can you see the chaos and void, whereupon the spirit hovered over the face of the deep of my life, let there be light and it was so-----purely spiritual do not mix spirit and nature…”

John 14:6 being twisted out of context to glorify a man-made organization

An ex-OAC “elder” wrote: “...If any minister questioned something regarding the sermon, they were revealing a "devil spirit" and not a "child spirit", and you accept everything being preached by your "overplaced" (the ministry above you)...”

Former OAC member #1 wrote: “…I also can’t see why I must ask the priest for something, or to grant me a safe journey, as I pray to God myself and ask Him...”

Former OAC member #2 wrote: “...If a member cannot attend a meeting (say for example he has to work) then he is expected to inform his Priest so that he can be remembered in the opening prayers and still be “under the blessing”. Yes I know this sounds ridiculous...”

“...for any member of the church God is his superior officer. So, for Brothers, Sisters, Underdeacons – God is the Priest. For Priests, God is the Elder. For Elders, God is the fourfold office (Overseers – who actually hold 2 offices; that of Pastor and Teacher, Evangelists – responsible for all evangelical work and testimony, Prophets – responsible for all Prophetic Gifts dreams and vision). So if Seth came in the “supervisory role” then he was God at that time. I know this sounds silly. However you must understand how OAC members are brainwashed to believe these things...”

Former OAC member #3 wrote: “…I often recall a priest pinching the flesh on his arm and saying, "THIS is Jesus," meaning that Jesus is one's flesh, one's earthly body. People would laugh at those who prayed to 'liewe Jesus', regarding them as being in the darkness, uninformed, not having a 'spiritual eye', thus being 'carnal minded'. What a complete distortion of the truth...”

“…If you were a brother or unmarried sister, you had to go to the priest that had been allocated to serve the area in the community where you lived. This was regarded as 'facing East'. You could not go to any other priest, even if he was in your community. The OAC believes that the word of your 'owergestelde' was God to you. This 'facing East' principle applied to every member in the church - the underdeacon had to go to his allocated priest, the priest had to go to his allocated elder, etc. I always wondered who the apostle went to; who was his 'owergestelde'? This OAC understanding of "the Word was [is] God", is a complete distortion of John 1:1 (KJV): "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." My first realisation that the OAC was not 'the way', was when I asked my priest's blessing to heal my son through a healthy lifestyle and natural remedies (vegan diet, pure water, sunlight, fresh air). The priest scoffed at this idea, whereas I knew a sister in another community who had received her priest's blessing to do the same thing. I reasoned that in Scripture we learn that He is the Alpha and the Omega, that He never changes (Revelation 22:13), so if the priest's word was God, both I and the sister in the other community would have received the same word. I thank God for opening my eyes to the deception in the church I had loved so long. No human man's word is God. That is sheer blasphemy to think your word is God to another human being. My family would have been lost had I remained in the OAC. I had met some of the most sincere, unselfish people in that church, but my loyalty should be towards God, and not towards man...”

When reading through the misleading statements from the OAC “apostolate” and OAC “officers”, it’s no wonder that loyal OAC members have a really hard time believing that Jesus was physically resurrected after His crucifixion. They blindly accept whatever their “owergestelde” tells them without question.

OAC members don't believe in the resurrection

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Strangely enough, the OAC “apostolate” decided in 2001 that Jesus did physically exist in the flesh (as a human). They can’t claim to be the original church that Jesus started if they deny that Jesus ever existed. The OAC version of history is a whole different matter altogether and was discussed in another post. Despite the “apostolate” decision in 2001 there are still major debates going on within the OAC as to whether Jesus really existed. Most members seem to believe that Jesus was never physically born and that He must be viewed “spiritually”.

A church debating Jesus' existence

The “miracles” performed by the OAC “Jesus” is understood “spiritually”. For example, a “dead” OAC member is someone who doesn’t attend the OAC activities. When members visit them they’re already “stinking” which means they’re complaining about why they’re not attending the church activities. Then when they hear the latest teaching from the “apostle”, the spoken words supposedly breathe “life” back into the “dead” and they start going back to church again – a miracle. All the miracles performed in the Bible are interpreted allegorically.

OAC members love their church but doubt the real Jesus

OAC members commonly believe the body of Christ and Jesus Christ is one and the same. There appears to be confusion and a misunderstanding regarding the difference between a bride and bridegroom.

A bridegroom refers to a man on his wedding day, or just before and after the event.
A bride refers to a woman on her wedding day, or just before and after the event.
Consummation means the man and woman become one flesh (Genesis 2:24, Matthew 19:5-6, Mark 10:8, 1 Corinthians 6:16, Ephesians 5:31). They are still a man and a woman, two individuals, despite being one flesh.
The husband is the head of the wife (Ephesians 5:23), this does not mean that the wife loses her own pretty head on her shoulders.
Because they are one flesh the husband ought to love his wife’s body as his own (Ephesians 5:28), her body is now also his body. This does not mean his body ceases to exist or vice versa, they belong to one another by being loyal to one another.

Now keeping the above in mind, read the following verses very carefully:

Ephesians 5:23-33 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church:

and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing;

but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

For no man ever yet hated his own flesh;

but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

This is a great mystery:

but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself;

and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Jesus Christ isn’t the OAC or any other church because He is the head of the body, the church (Colossians 1:18). Using matrimony as an example we can understand that Jesus is the Bridegroom (Matthew 9:14-15, Mark 2:18-20, Luke 5:33-35, John 3:27-29, Ephesians 5:23-32) and the church is His bridesmaid also known as the body of Christ (Romans 12:5, 1 Corinthians 10:16-17, 1 Corinthians 12:12-27, Ephesians 4:11-13). When read in context, body of Christ means the body (church) belonging to Jesus Christ. Notice that none of these verses refer to any “gift” within you as being your soul’s “bridegroom”.

According to Strong’s, the word “church” in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word ekklēsia and is defined as:

a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.

We should always be ready by having enough oil in our lamps like the five wise virgins because we know neither the day nor the hour wherein the bridegroom (Son of man) will come (Matthew 25:1-13). Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb (Revelation 19:7-9).

Catechism of the Old Apostolic Church of Africa…Part 2; Question 27 (pages 62-63):

“Has Christ already come, or do we still expect him?” (Sic)

“Ans. (a) Because the world expects that Christ will come on a natural cloud, they still look forward to his coming. From Matt. 16 v. 28, it is however clear, that Christ must already have come…”

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

The OAC confuse this verse with the restoration of the kingdom to Israel and Jesus’ promised return (Acts 1:6-11). Jesus shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of His disciples forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God before He was taken up (Acts 1:2-5). The same Jesus, which was taken up from His disciples into heaven, shall so come in like manner as they saw him go into heaven (Acts 1:11).

There are parallel verses to Matthew 16:28, in Mark 9:1 and Luke 9:27 we read of the kingdom of God which will be seen by some of those standing there before they taste of death. All three gospels give an account of Jesus’ transfiguration after He made that statement. Peter, James and John were eyewitnesses on the mountain when Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah (Matthew 17:1-13, Mark 9:2-13, Luke 9:28-36).

Peter, being one of those present when Jesus made that statement, saw for himself the transfiguration of Jesus on the mountain. Not with cunningly devised fables, but as an eyewitness.

2 Peter 1:16-18 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

Later, the disciples saw the pouring out of the Holy Ghost at Pentecost (Acts 2:1-13) and the kingdom of God is righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost (Romans 14:17). Jesus said if any man keeps His saying they will never see death (John 8:51). This then is a grave warning to those who keep not His saying and will taste of the second death which is the lake of fire (Revelation 2:11, Revelation 20:6, Revelation 20:14, Revelation 21:8).

Catechism of the Old Apostolic Church of Africa…Part 2; Question 27 (pages 62-63):

“Has Christ already come, or do we still expect him?” (Sic)

“Ans. (b) From 2 Tim. 4 v. 7-8 it is clear that Christ must already have come during Apostle Paul’s life on earth…”

2 Timothy 4:7-8 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

These verses need to be read in context.

Paul starts the chapter with “…I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom…” (2 Timothy 4:1).
Paul was writing about his own personal departure “…For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand…” (2 Timothy 4:6).
Later Paul writes “…Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ…” (Titus 2:13).

Jesus’ apostles were contemporaries of Paul, and Jesus appeared to Paul after His resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:4-8). Stephen was a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost (Acts 6:5-6), and when he was martyred he saw the heavens opened and Jesus standing on the right hand of God (Acts 7:55-59). The same Saul (Paul’s Aramaic/Hebrew name) who witnessed the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7:58, Acts 22:20) encountered Jesus en-route to Damascus (Acts 9:3-7, Acts 22:6-9). The men journeying with him to Damascus heard a voice but didn’t see who was speaking. They also saw the light from heaven and were afraid. These appearances by Jesus are not to be confused with the thousand year reign (Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:3-13, Revelation 20:1-6). Note that Jesus did not appear to Stephen or Paul as a church or OAC cloud of witnesses. Neither did any of Jesus’ disciples claim to be Jesus, individually or collectively.

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

The above verse is popularly used by some OAC members as a proof text in their arguments. Great emphasis is placed on the words “is come” as if to imply the present tense, and the OAC member in flesh in front of you is supposedly Jesus Christ. Please note that this verse is quoted from the King James Version (1611) also known as the Authorised Version which is officially recognised and used by the OAC.

The verse in the KJV was translated from the following Greek Textus Receptus:

ἐν τούτῳ γινώσκετε τὸ πνεῦμα τοῦ θεοῦ· πᾶν πνεῦμα ὃ ὁμολογεῖ Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν ἐν σαρκὶ ἐληλυθότα ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ ἐστιν

ἐληλυθότα = elēlythota = having come or has come (Strong’s)

It’s the same word used in Acts 18:2 and in both instances it is used in the context of past tense. The Afrikaans Bible (AFR 33-57), the Zulu Bible (1^st edition 77) and the New King James Version (Thomas Nelson 83) which are also officially recognized by the OAC also uses past tense.

False apostles and false prophets cannot forge or counterfeit the coming of the Son of man, the only way they can try is by attempting to deceive people with false interpretations. Jesus warns us not to follow them because they will say “Lo here” and then try convincing people that they (false prophets and false churches) are Christ.

A picture paints a thousand words

Matthew 24:23-28 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Through false teachings the false Christs and false prophets try to make themselves the source of your eternal life, instead of Jesus. They exalt themselves, they exalt their organization, and they exalt their “spiritual teachings” to the place of Jesus over your life.

There is only one way for salvation, by man comes death but by Jesus Christ comes life eternal (1 Corinthians 15:20-23). There is only one Jesus and He is the ONLY Messiah.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The OAC is not the source of eternal life. OAC officers are not the source of eternal life. The OAC sealing service is not the source of eternal life. Mysteries or “spiritual” interpretations are not the source of eternal life. Jesus the Christ is the ONLY source of eternal life. He offers this wonderful gift to anyone who believes in Him.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

False Christs and false prophets will try and teach you that if you want to come to God and have a personal relationship with Him, you have to submit to their leadership and follow their teachings. In this way they try to make themselves the “way” to God. They will try to teach you to discard everything you learned outside of their organization and that everyone else are the “world”. They will claim that their teachings are unique and exalt themselves and their teachings as the truth. They won’t preach Jesus as the only Messiah and they will try and convince you that the real Jesus is a figment of man’s imagination. They won’t encourage you to read the whole Bible because they don’t trust that the Holy Spirit will teach you as you read. They will exalt themselves as your main teacher and “guru” to understand the Bible.

Jesus said the Holy Spirit would testify of Him and glorify Him (John 15:26, John 16:13-14). The name of Jesus is above every name; Jesus Christ is Lord (Philippians 2:9-11).

1 Timothy 2:5-6 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

See if you can see the name of the OAC or any other church or organization for that matter in the following verses:

Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other:

for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

251 comments:

Anonymous7 June 2017 at 10:47
Only an idiot will approve the use of so-called natural remedies. There is a word for remedies that work: medicine.
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Anonymous7 June 2017 at 16:39
if Klibbe was send by the NAC and believed in their confession of faith(October 1916 letter), who, why and when did the OAC changed this believe. Do you really think its possible for a human being to have twisted the truth and "enslaved" an entire nation for more than a 100 years without some sort of divine help? Just asking
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Anonymous8 June 2017 at 09:16
In 1872, Apostle Schwartz published a book "Het Boek Voor Onze Tijd", wherein he discussed the book of Revelation in allegorical terms. He later published another book "Het Hooglied van Salomo", where he also wrote about the Biblical book of Song of Solomon as allegorical. His publication of "100 Statements", also refer to the Bible as allegorical and not literal.
In his book "Gathered Under Apostles", CG Flegg gives a description of how Jesus Christ as the Head of the Church make Himself known, or manifests through the Fourfold Office (Apostle; Prophet; Evangelist; and Shepard and Teacher).
In "The Mosaic Tabernacle", Apostle Carlyle writes about Christ being within the Church as the High Priest. This book was the influence on Schwartz in his "Het Boek Voor Onze Tijd", who wrote that there is a comparison between the Biblical books of Daniel, Hebrews and Revelations. Schwartz like Carlyle referred to Christ as the High Priest in the Temple procession, where he uses the instruments (Officers) of the temple. Carlyle wrote his book before 1855.
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Anonymous8 June 2017 at 10:30
The following is a quote from "The Mosaic Tabernacle" by Apostle Carlyle. It proofs the following:
The Catholic Apostolic Church believed in spiritual (allegorical) interpretation of the Bible.
Christ is within His Church.
The Church is the Kingdom of God.

When Moses was charged by God to build the
Tabernacle, he was again and again commanded, “See
thou make all things according to the pattern which
was showed thee in the mount“ (Ex. xxv. 9; xxvi. 30;
xxvii. 8). This pattern was nothing else than the
Christian Church, in which, therefore, must be found
the substance of all those things, the shadows of
which Moses was to set in the Tabernacle (Acts vii.
44; Heb.viii. 5). The Tabernacle is, therefore, in all its
parts, a symbol of the spiritual House of God (1 Pet.
ii. 5); the Church of the living God (1 Tim. iii. 15); yea,
of the Body of Christ Himself (Eph. iv. 12-16), in
which alone God can and will dwell.
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Anonymous8 June 2017 at 12:12
Hi. Is there any books available on the Old Apostles.
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Good2soft16 November 2017 at 12:58
I'm glad my church fascinates you so.

We as Old Apostolic is really a peculiar nation.
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Anonymous27 November 2017 at 16:20
I am an 'old apostolic' and i oftentimes wonder, sparked by their behaviour, who(or what)leads the 'officers'................
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Anonymous26 January 2018 at 16:44
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2 John 1:7 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/2jn.1.7.KJV
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D1 March 2018 at 10:49
I have read, and done or still doing my research , i am a Believer in Jesus Christ, but does it matter what denomination we belong to?

Is there 1 goal we working towards is the praising the gospel of Jesus and working towards the coming of the Lord.

Does it matter in what way we proclaim his gospel as long we glorifying his name?

I have nothing against Denominations i respect each 1 for the way they praise their God...

Why is OAC a cult?

i have been to many different denominations and for me i find that i wont think of them as a cult, coming from a service as a visitor i could leave with a teaching, i was at the pentecostal a funeral infact and i left with a teaching, i belong to the NAC and when i leave i leave with a teaching, so isn't that the reason we go to church we go for nourishment, even if you believe you keep service with yourself teaching yourself its also nourishment as long you Goal is set on Jesus Christ...

In the end you find what you are comfortable with, not by judging and name calling of different denominations.

There is only one 'holy Christian Church,' of which Christ is the Head, but it is now made up of many denominations ... But faith in Christ is the first criterion of membership in the holy Christian Church, and we feel that such believers can be found in all Christian denominations."
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Unknown25 June 2018 at 09:25
First of all. Thanks for your post. May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you with more wisdom and passion. I am a younger minister of the word, I have done Diploma in Theology SA, I am a mozambican. I have been so much interested in reaching out two kind of people: OAC & Zionist believers. Because I believe the most important to all human being is Salvation through Jesus Christ. At least your post served as a starter for me because now The OAC beliefs. If you can help me achieve this goal to Loard, please send me whatever in relevant to the following email: mfa.embreconciliacao.mba@gmail.com
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Ex-OAC critic23 October 2018 at 10:31
The OAC reached a landmark regarding Jesus of Nazareth this past weekend, the Conference teaching for 2018-2019 states the following:
God sent His Son to set us free from a selfish and sinful nature and to make us His holy nation. Through the gospel of the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ made His glorious appearance to us. Although the Son of God has no beginning He was made flesh in Jesus of Nazareth who was naturally born and declared as the Son of God. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. [JOH 1:1 and 14; MAR 1:14-15]

Needless to say, this teaching has drawn sharp criticism from within the OAC, especially those members who adamantly deny that Jesus was ever physically present in human form.

One member quipped: "Well there you have it;its finally official the OAC says that Jesus of Nasareth was a man that was naturally born. Hell, now I am confused!" He continued "He made His appearance through the gospel! He has no beginning! Yet has an actual birthdate like you and me? Really now!

This has been a contentious issue for a number of years now, even though the OAC's apostolate did decide in 2001 already that Jesus was a "natural man". It will be interesting to see where this "new teaching" will lead to, will the OAC eventually return back to their founding father's belief that the "natural" Jesus of Nazareth will come back as promised in Acts 1:9-11?
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Unknown23 February 2019 at 15:23
From the OAC’s HTC today:

This period’s Home Tuition Calendar deals with the following topics of teaching: 1) the current teaching; 2) the current tuition theme of the Sunday school syllabus – our faith in the three Sacraments –the institution of the Passover as foundation for the sacrament of the Holy Communion: as contained in lesson 24/36.

Die volgende twee onderwerpe word in die Tuisonderrigkalender vir hierdie tydperk behandel: 1) die huidige lering; & 2) die huidige onderrigtema van die Sondagskoolsillabus – ons geloof in die drie sakramente – die instelling van die Paasfees/Pasga as grondslag vir die sakrament van die heilige Avondmaal: Les 24/36

23) Huidige Lering: So het [EXO 6:2] by hulle tot vervulling gekom toe hulle God, die Almagtige ontdek het as die HERE; soos ons Hom ook vandag ken as God, die Vader, God die Seun en God die Heilige Gees. Hy sê vir Sy dissipels: “En gaan preek en sê: Die koninkryk van die hemele het naby gekom” [MAT 10:7] Daarna was Hy gekruisig, is begrawe en het deur die wonder van God uit die dood opgestaan as ‘n verheerlikte liggaam met baie lede, naamlik ons pragtige Kerk, met die ampte-struktuur om dit te bedien. [HEB 10:5; EFE 4: 10-14]

23) Current teaching: Then [EXO 6:3] was fulfilled as they discovered the Almighty God as the Lord; as we know the Him now as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. He said to His disciples: “And as you go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.” [MAT 10:7] He was crucified, buried but by the wonder of God He was raised from the dead as a glorious Body with many members; namely our beautiful Church, with an Officer structure to serve them. [HEB 10:5; EPH 4:10-14]

See how single verses are used out of context to refer to themselves.

In EXO 6:3 God speaks to Moses saying “I am the LORD”. Please read that verse in context with the rest of the verses in your Bible (EXO 6:1-13).

In MAT 10:7 Jesus was sending out His twelve apostles (MAT 10:1-4, REV 21:14) to the lost sheep of the house of Israel to freely heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers and cast out demons, bringing peace (MAT 10:5-15). This they could do because He gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of disease and all manner of sickness (MAT 10:1).

Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus was raised from the dead as a beautiful Church, especially not as the OAC which was founded for the first time in South Africa after splitting away from the NAC.

The only “Officer structure” the Bible ever mentions for the New Testament church are those of a bishop and a deacon (1 TIM 3:1-13). The Orthodox Church claims that their bishops were ordained by Jesus’ original apostles https://orthodoxwiki.org/Apostolic_succession.

In HEB 10:5 the body refers to Christ’s sacrifice once for all with His own physical body (JOH 1:14, HEB 10:12-14), please read that verse in context with the rest of the verses in your Bible (HEB 10:1-18).

In EPH 4:10-14 it refers to Jesus who descended from far above all heavens and gave some to be apostles, and some to be prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. Nowhere does the Bible command a hierarchy as intimated and implied by the OAC.
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Unknown25 February 2019 at 18:24
T.O.K Apostel Smit
Maandag 25 Februarie
BEHAAG NIE JOUSELF
Daar moet geen voorsorg gemaak vir die vlees wees nie. In ons verantwoordelikheid moet ons onself nooit behaag nie. Ons moet altyd poog om net God te behaag. Ons moet altyd met Christus beklee wees- aangetrek met die Kerk

Maar beklee julle met die Here Jesus Christus, en maak geen voorsorg vir die vlees om sy begeerlikhede te bevredig nie.
ROMEINE 13:14 AFR53

H.T.C Apostle Smit
Monday 25 February
DONT PLEASE YOURSELF
There should be no provision made for the flesh. In our responsibility we should never please ourselves. We should always endeavour to please God only. We should be clothed with Christ, the Church

But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
ROMANS 13:14 KJV

Ja ne, just goes to show how we are fed single verses so that we rather become obedient to the OAC instead of Jesus Christ. Clothed with the Church? In other words what the HTC is trying to say, be on your place in the OAC because if you don’t attend all the OAC activities then you are pleasing yourself and making provision for the flesh. No wonder the OAC is seen as a cult.

If we read that verse with the other verses before it we get the real meaning of those verses.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Rom 13:9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour:
therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep:
for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand:
let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day;
not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Who is your neighbor? Just the people you go to church with? No my friends, go read for yourself what Jesus said in Mat 5:43-48 & Luk 10:25-37.
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Unknown8 March 2019 at 22:01
OAC HTC/TOK for today:
9) Paasfees: Elemente: “Deurposte en Bodrumpel” Bloed aan die “deurposte en bodrumpel” van die huis – getuienis/bewys van die huisgesin se deelname. Die deurposte simboliseer die ouers en die bodrumpel die kind(ers). [EXO 12:7]

9) Passover: Elements: “Two Sides- and Upper Posts of the Door” The blood on the two side- and upper posts of the door– testimony / proof that the household participated in the Passover. The side posts symbolise the parents and the upper post, the children. [EXO 12:7]

EXO 12:7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

…The side posts symbolize the parents and the upper post, the children…???

AIKONA!!! You guys are missing the big picture and have completely lost the plot!!!

That’s not what I read when I read Exo 12:1-28… The LORD passed to smite the Egyptians, and it was He that saw the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, and the LORD passed over the entrance and He didn’t permit the destroyer to enter those houses to smite them. The first Passover was the only time the Israelites applied blood on their doorposts; afterwards it became an annual convocation of the LORD from the evening of the fourteenth of the first month (Lev 23:4-8). Paul wasn’t married and neither did he have any natural children, but he kept the feast, the first Passover foreshadowed Jesus as the Paschal Lamb (Isa 53:7-10, Joh 1:29, Act 8:32-35, 1 Cor 7:6-8, 1 Pet 1:19-20)...

Whose blood was on the lintel and two side posts? Your own blood cannot save you (Heb 9:11-28)! Jesus is the only door of the sheep (Joh 10:1-21).
For a detailed and insightful explanation on the meaning of Passover, you can also check out https://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Spring_Holidays/Pesach/Pasach/pasach.html
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Unknown11 March 2019 at 22:20
OAC’s HTC/TOK
11 March 2019) Relationship between the Passover and the Holy Communion: Sacrifice The sacrifices that are to be made for these institutions are:
* Passover - year old ram (goat or sheep) without blemish and unleavened bread. [EXO 12:5-8]
* Holy Communion - the Lamb of God, Christ the Church of which we are members. [I COR 5:7]

11 Maart 2019) Verband tussen Paasfees en Heilige Avondmaal: Offerande Die offers wat vir die instellings gebring word:
* Paasfees - jaaroue bok-/skaaprammetjie, sonder gebrek en ongesuurde brood [EXO 12:5-8]
* Heilige Avondmaal - die Lam van God, Christus die Kerk waarvan ons elkeen 'n lid is [I KOR 5:7]

Exo 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Exo 12:7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
Exo 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

… the Lamb of God, Christ the Church…??? Where did you guys read that!? Which verse!?
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Unknown16 March 2019 at 01:22
OAK TOK/OAC HTC
16) Verband tussen Paasfees en Heilige Avondmaal: Ongesuurde Brood * Paasfees - die brood, met bitter kruie, wat saam met die vleis van die geslagte lammetjie geëet moes word [EXO 12:8] * Heilige Avondmaal - die (geestelike) liggaam van Christus, die Kerk - elke lid (ons) [MAT 26:26]

16) Relationship between the Passover and the Holy Communion: Unleavened Bread: * Passover - the unleavened bread was to be eaten with bitter herbs and the meat of the sacrificial lamb. [EXO 12:8] * Holy Communion - the (spiritual) body of Christ, the Church - every member (us). [MAT 26:26]

Exo 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

… Holy Communion - the (spiritual) body of Christ, the Church - every member (us)…??? JESUS took the bread and gave it to His disciples!!! The bread He gave them did not represent them and the “church” going forward!!! Do you commemorate yourself or Jesus??? How blind can the OAC be???
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Unknown16 March 2019 at 18:03
OAK TOK/OAC HTC
17) [III] Verband tussen Paasfees en Heilige Avondmaal: Bloed * Paasfees - die bloed aan die deurposte en bodrumpel as teken en beskerming teen die tiende plaag [EXO 12:22-23] * Heilige Avondmaal - goeie werke / offers van die lede van die liggaam van Christus, die Kerk [MAT 26:28]

17) (111) Relationship between the Passover and the Holy Communion: Blood: * Passover - the blood of the sacrificial lamb was struck on the side and upper doorposts as a token and protection from the tenth plague. [EXO 12:22,23] * Holy Communion - good deeds / offerings of the members of the body of Christ, the Church. [MAT 26:28]

Exo 12:22 And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason; and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning.
Exo 12:23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.

Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

… Holy Communion - good deeds / offerings of the members of the body of Christ, the Church…???

Does anybody in the OAC bother to read the whole Bible??? Are OAC officers illiterate??? Are OAC officers blind??? PLEASE read a little bit further…
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Did you read that??? It was JESUS that spoke to His disciples and said to them “this is MY blood”!!! Where did Jesus ever say “this is YOUR blood”??? Where did JESUS ever say that Holy Communion was a commemoration of His disciples’ good deeds or offerings??? Where did the apostles of JESUS CHRIST ever say that Holy Communion was a commemoration of church members’ good deeds / offerings??? The OAC is making itself guilty of denying the SON!!!

JESUS said:
Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
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Unknown21 March 2019 at 18:03
T.O.K Apostel Vermaak (KZN en Namibië)
Donderdag 21 Maart
21) God se doel om Sy Seun te stuur was om die belofte van die ewige lewe te vervul, en dat nie een van die wat aan Hom gegee is, verlore gaan nie. Ons is vandag die Seun (Kerk) en as ons Sy wil doen, openbaar ons Sy genade en krag aan ander sodat hulle ook gered kan word.
1Joh 2v25, Joh 6v39-40.

H.T.C Apostle Vermaak (KZN and Namibia)
Thursday 21 March
21)God’s purpose in sending His Son was to fulfil the promise of eternal life, and that none of those given to Him, should go lost. We are today the Son (Church) and by us revealing God’s grace and power by doing His will, others today are also saved.
1Joh 2v25, Joh 6v39-40.

1Jn 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

… We are today the Son (Church)…??? No wonder OAC members are so lost, they get fed this nonsense by their false apostles!!! At what stage in history did Jesus return as a crowd where every eye saw Him?

Rev_1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
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Unknown22 March 2019 at 18:47
OAK TOK/OAC HTC
22) Huidige lering: Koester die lewe wat God ons in Sy Seun gee. Dit verwys na die Apostoliese leefwyse. Om in die Seun te wees is om verseëld te wees as lid in Sy Liggaam, die Kerk, wat bestaan uit Sy vlees (elke lid) en Sy bloed (die lewe/aktiwiteite in die Liggaam). [1 KOR 12:12-13]

22) Current teaching: Cherish the life that God has given us in His Son: This refers to the apostolic way of living. Being in the Son is to be a sealed member in the Body of Christ, the Church and it consists of His flesh (every member) and His blood (the life/activities within the Body). [1 COR 12:12-13]

1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

… Being in the Son…??? Where in the quoted verses did you guys read that??? Where in the Bible is there any mention of apostolic??? Where in the Bible does it ever mention that His blood is actually activities in the church??? The body of Christ isn’t Christ Himself but the church that belongs to Christ!!! Christ is the head of the church, the church that accepts Him alone as their head. This is the church that belongs to Him!!! The church that belongs to Jesus is not a hermaphroditic body that denies Jesus and married to itself…

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
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Unknown23 March 2019 at 14:04
23) Huidige lering: Ons sal Doelwit b) volbring wanneer ons die waarde om ‘n Apostolie te wees kan bepaal. Glo ek in die aktiwiteite van die Kerk en besef ek die waarde daarvan? Is ek bereid om deel te neem aan die evangelie-opbouing om so my geloof in die Kerk te versterk? [ROM 10:13-17]

23) Current teaching: To comply with Objective (b) one must determine the value of being an apostolic: Do I have faith in the activities within the Church and do I know the value of it? Do I believe in it? Am I willing to partake in the EDP (evangelistic training program) to improve my faith? [ROM 10:13-17]

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

… Do I have faith in the activities within the Church…??? Absolutely NOT!!! The quoted verses don’t mention anything about church activities, we should have faith in God !!!

Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

The OAC is the last church to have faith in because they don’t believe in Jesus’ resurrection!!!

1Co 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1Co 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
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Raynaldo Khusal13 April 2019 at 19:09
Good day Beloved i am a underdeacon in the OAC and i believe that Jesus was never a human being like us let's read Exsodus 4 vers 22 Jesus is the city Israel the first born Hosea 11 vers 1 we will read that God loved his son israel since he was a child I believe that there no human being the can go through that pain

We do believe in Jesus Christ the church yes because it is the only son of God and we are part of this body of Christ (if Jesus Christ was a human being like us don't u think they would find his body remains everything in the Bible is written natural but it has a spiritual meaning

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Anonymous19 April 2019 at 15:59
Ons kry vandag ‘n boodskap van ons Evangelis, sover dit die kruisdood betref,,, verander bietjie die “woord Jesus” na jou eie naam … iets om aan te dink … my eie kruis wat vir myself én ander vandag tot voordeel kan wees, tot verlossing, tot oorwinning en tot behoud van eie saligheid

Vanderbijlpark velde
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Unknown20 April 2019 at 17:39
21) [III] Paassondag: Opstanding. Ons herdenk vandag die dag waarop Jesus in ‘n verheerlikte liggaam opgestaan het. [ROM 6:3-11]. Kinders wat hulle loopbaan in die Sondagskool suksesvol voltooi het word as volwasse lede in die Kerk bevestig. [2 TIM 3:14-17]

21) (III) Teaching: Easter Sunday: Resurrection: We celebrate the day on which Jesus was raised from the dead in a glorified body. [ROM 6:3-11] The children who completed their Sunday school career successfully are confirmed as adult members of the Church. [2 TIM 3:14-17]

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

… We celebrate the day on which Jesus was raised from the dead in a glorified body…??? How does Jesus’ death and resurrection have anything to do with confirmation of the OAC’s sixteen year old children???

13 Nov ‘18 TOK) Heilige Doop
Op sestienjarige ouderdom word kinders as volwasse lede van die Kerk bevestig. Hierdie aksie vind op die Paassondag plaas en dan neem hulle die verantwoordelikheid van hulle ouers se doopbelofte op hulself. [II TIM 3:14-15]

13 Nov ‘18 HTC) Holy Baptism
Children are confirmed on Easter Sunday as adult members of the Church at the age of sixteen years when they assume responsibility for the Baptismal promise which their parents bore untill now. [II TIM 3:14-17]

… they assume responsibility for the Baptismal promise which their parents bore…??? Thus NO BAPTISM!!! Easter Sunday is for confirmation of 16 year olds and the tradition in South Africa requires the sisters to wear white as dictated by the Overseer. Confirmation confirms that a child has grown up in “the order”. Parents are responsible for their child's soul salvation until after confirmation when the child is given full responsibility.

OAC teaching: Easter or Passover is to fully grasp the meaning of the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for us today: What is expected of us who believe this? Are we willing to follow Him? [LUK 9:23]. This new life implies that we accept joint responsibility with Christ for the redemption and salvation of souls [EPH 2:4-6; ROM 6:3-11]. Today our children, who successfully completed their Sunday school career, will be confirmed as members. [PRO 3:5-7]

… crucifixion, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for us today… Thus Jesus is crucified, buried and resurrected AGAIN TODAY??? Don’t you guys ever read the Bible??? [Heb 8:11-28; Heb 10:10-14]

Unlike the OAC’s founding father Klibbe, the OAC today does not believe that Jesus was physically resurrected from the dead!!!
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Unknown27 April 2019 at 14:41
T.O.K Apostel Smit
Vrydag 26 April
DIE EERSTE LIEFDE
Die konsep van eenheid word herhaaldelik onderstreep en een van die redes daarvoor is; omdat ons wegbeweeg het van ons eerste liefde. In my eerste liefde was my siening vir die Kerk heilig en absolute Saligheid. Die woord van my owergestelde was alles in my lewe. Die oproep tot elke geliefde is om terug te keer na die eerste liefde

Maar Ek het teen jou dat jy jou eerste liefde verlaat het. Onthou dan waarvandaan jy uitgeval het, en bekeer jou en doen die eerste werke. Anders kom Ek gou na jou toe en sal jou kandelaar van sy plek verwyder as jy jou nie bekeer nie.
OPENBARING 2:4-5 AFR53

H.T.C Apostle Smit
Friday 26 April
THE FIRST LOVE
The concept of unity is repeatedly emphasized and one of the reasons for this; because we have moved away from our first love. In my first love, my view of the Church was sacred and absolute Salvation. The word of my overplaced was everything in my life. The call to every beloved is to return to the first love

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
REVELATION 2:4-5 KJV

… my view of the Church was sacred and absolute Salvation. The word of my overplaced was everything in my life…???
No my friends, Christ is the head of the church [1CO 11:3; EPH 5:22-32; COL 1:18]!!! The view of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is sacred and our salvation is through Him alone [JOH 14:5-7; ACT 4:10-12; 1TI 2:5-6; HEB 3:1-3]!!!
The word of any so-called overplaced is spoken by a human tongue and cannot be everything in my life [JAM 3:1-12]!!!
God is way more than some word spoken by a mere mortal [PRO 30:4-6; JOH 1:1-3; JOH 1:14-18; HEB 4:12-13; REV 19:11-13; REV 22:18-21]!!!

Please my friends, read your Bible!!! Context is important!!! Read what the Spirit says to the church of Ephesus [REV 2:1-7]… thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars…repent…repent…that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans… To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God… There’s nothing written there about making the OAC and a overplaced person everything in your life!!! Repentance means to stop sinning willfully!!!

https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/nicolaitans/
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Unknown29 April 2019 at 23:57
30) Huidige Lering: Deur die wonder van God het Jesus uit die dood opgestaan; nou as ‘n liggaam met vele lede, naamlik die Kerk [JOH 12:23-24; HEB 10:5]. Hy stel die amptestruktuur daar soos God aan Noag belowe het: Dit is die teken van die verbond wat Ek sluit tussen My en julle en al die lewende wesens wat by julle is, vir ewige geslagte: My boog gee Ek in die wolke; dit sal ‘n teken wees van die verbond tussen My en die aarde. [GEN 9:12-13; EFE 4:7-11]

30) Current Teaching: Another wonder happened: He rose from the grave as a body with many members, our beautiful Church. [JOH 12:23-24; HEB 10:5] He established the Officers’ structure as God promised in the days of Noah: This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for all generations: I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. [GEN 9:12-13; EPH 4:7-11].

… He rose from the grave as a body with many members, our beautiful Church…???
Really???
He rose from the grave in South Africa in 1927 and became a bunch of people with a god-complex???
Does anybody in the OAC read the Bible and believe what’s written in the Bible??? Has anybody in the OAC actually read MAT 28:1-18, MAR 16:1-14, LUK 24:1-49, JOH 20:1-31, JOH 21:1-25, ACT 1:1-11 etc etc???

Since when is a rainbow in the cloud the Officers’ structure???
A rainbow has seven colors; Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo and Violet.
The natural is the forerunner of the spiritual, thus the OAC’s imaginary rainbow looks like this:
Red = Elder
Orange = Fourfold Office (Evangelist, Prophet, Overseer)
Yellow = Underdeacon
Green = Priest
Blue = Sister
Indigo = ???
Violet = ???
What about the rest of the Officers??? Where does the brother (Brown) and the apostle (White/Silver) fit into this imaginary rainbow Officer structure??? Where does the Bible say that the rainbow is an Officers’ structure??? Where does the Bible speak of an Officer’s structure like that of the OAC???
The bow is a token of the covenant that the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh [GEN 9:11-15]!!! No mention of Officers!!! The OAC is still stuck in the pre-flood as they still harp on Genesis 1 out of context as every new convert’s beginning in the OAC…

In the meantime our Lord and Savior Jesus became the mediator of a new and better covenant [JER 31:31-40; HEB 8:1-13; HEB 12:24].
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Unknown7 May 2019 at 09:59
T.O.K Apostel Vermaak (KZN en Namibië)
Dinsdag 7 Mei
7) God het Sy Seun tot ons gestuur om die belofte van die ewige lewe te vervul. Sy opdrag is dat nie een wat aan Hom gegee is, verlore moet gaan nie. Ons is vandag die Seun (Kerk) en deur ons Sy wilt e doen, openbaar ons Sy genade en krag sodat ander ook gered te kan word.
Joh 3v16, 1Joh 2v25, Joh 6v39-40.

H.T.C Apostle Vermaak (KZN and Namibia)
Tuesday 7 May
7)God’s purpose in sending His Son was to fulfil the promise of eternal life, and that none of those given to Him, should go lost. We are today the Son (Church) and by us revealing God’s grace and power by doing His will, others today are also saved.
Joh 3v16, 1Joh 2v25 and Joh 6v39-40.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1Jn 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

… We are today the Son (Church)…??? No wonder OAC members are so lost, they get fed this nonsense by their false apostles!!! Where in the Bible does it say that the church is the only begotten Son of God???

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

The OAC isn’t subject to Christ, they’re subject to themselves and deny Christ in the process by calling themselves Christ!!!
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Unknown16 May 2019 at 23:36
17) Die Heilige Gees: Vervulling van die beloftes. Sonder die Heilige Gees is die siele verlore en sonder hoop, en sonder God; soos vreemdelinge ten aansien van God se beloftes. Deur ons Kerk, het ons toegang, deur een Gees, tot die Vader en word ons huisgenote van God. [EFE 2:11-22]

17) Holy Ghost: Fulfilment of the Promises: Without the Holy Ghost, the souls are lost and hopeless, without expectation and without God; like strangers to God’s covenant. Through Jesus Christ (the Church) we have access, through one Spirit, to the Father and are fellow citizens of the household of God. [EPH 2:11-22]

And so the lies continue every month within the OAC, no glory to God, no glory to Jesus Christ, they continue glorifying a man made organization and their own name!!! Wake up OAC, please!!! EPH 2:11-22 does NOT say the church or its officers save you!!!

Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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Unknown22 May 2019 at 18:52
T.O.K Apostel Vermaak (KZN en Namibië)
Woensdag 22 Mei
22) Om die lewe in Christus te leef, vereis dit ‘n eensgesinde toewyding tot ‘n lewe in Jesus Christus, ons pragtige Kerk, geïnspireer deur die onbeskryflike voorreg om medewerkers van God, asook dissipels en ambassadeurs van Jesus Christus, te wees.
Rom 15v1.

H.T.C Apostle Vermaak (KZN and Namibia)
Wednesday 22 May
22) To live this life in Christ, calls for a collective commitment to a life in Jesus Christ, our beautiful Church, inspired by the indescribable privilege to be co-workers of God, as well as disciples and ambassadors of Jesus Christ. We as the strong must care for the weak who do not have the same insight, ability or freedom as us.
Rom 15v1.

Rom 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

… a life in Jesus Christ, our beautiful Church …??? Seriously, you read that in the verse above or do you just make these things up as you go along??? And you call yourself an “Apostle”??? The OAC pride themselves on “spiritual” interpretation, albeit wrong, and now they’re trying to say that being in Christ literally means being a physical member of the OAC!???

When you’re in love, you’re not in an organization called love or belonging to a group of people calling themselves love!??? Likewise, being in Christ doesn’t mean you’re in an organization calling itself Christ!!! Being in Christ means to be united to Christ, bound to Christ (Rom 8:1, Rom 8:38-39, 2Co 5:11-21, Eph 1:3-14, Php 1:1-2, 2Ti 1:9)!!!

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

You receive a new identity when you place your faith in Christ Jesus and no, it’s not being called brother or sister in the OAC!!!
When you’ve been baptized into Christ, it’s not a rite of passage into the OAC where you get confirmed by believing allegories or a wet finger on your forehead!!! It’s when you identify with Christ by leaving your old sinful life behind and embrace a new life in Christ (Mar 8:34-38, Luk 9:23-26, Col 3:1-3)!!! By one Spirit are we all baptized into one body and drink into one Spirit and the body is not one member, but many (1Co 12:12-14)!!!

To be in Christ means to accept His sacrifice as payment for our own sins, it doesn’t mean accepting someone else from the OAC who interprets their visit to you or going to church as bloodshed (Rom 3:9-31, Heb 10:10-18)!!!
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Unknown25 May 2019 at 13:35
OAK TOK/OAC HTC
25) Huidige Lering: ‘n Huispriesterskap, gebou en deur die genade van God onderhou, is soos ‘n groot wolk van getuies wat God se betrokkenheid in hulle lewe bewys. Ons is bevoorreg om baie sulke gesinne in die Kerk te hê wat van God se betrokkenheid getuig. [HEB 12:1-2] “Kyk, seuns is ‘n erfdeel van die HERE; die vrug van die moederskoot is ‘n beloning. Soos pyle in die hand van ‘n held, so is die seuns van die jeug. Gelukkig is die man wat sy pylkoker daarmee gevul het! Hulle sal nie beskaamd staan as hulle met die vyande in die poort spreek nie”. [PSA 127: 3-5]

25) Current Teaching: A Housepriestship being built and maintained by the grace of God is like a great cloud of witnesses revealing the involvement of God. We are fortunate to have in our Church many households whose lives continuously testify of God’s involvement. [HEB 12:1-2] “Behold, children are a heritage from the LORD, The fruit of the womb is a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior, So are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man who has his quiver full of them; They shall not be ashamed, But shall speak with their enemies in the gate.” [PSA 127:3-5]

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Psa 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
Psa 127:4 As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.
Psa 127:5 Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

... A Housepriestship being built and maintained by the grace of God is like a great cloud of witnesses …??? And you got that from verses about Jesus, Founder and Perfecter of Our Faith???

The cloud of witnesses in Heb 12:1 refers to those that had faith from Abel to the harlot Rahab and their hardships (Heb 11:1-38)!!!
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE (Heb 11:39)!!! You guys need to read those verses again and look unto Jesus because your labour is in vain without Him!!!

Psa 127:1 A Song of degrees for Solomon. Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
Psa 127:2 It is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows: for so he giveth his beloved sleep.
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Unknown2 June 2019 at 22:26
OAK TOK/OAC HTC
2) [I] Huidige Lering: Die evangelie van die Koninkryk van God is ‘n ware en betroubare openbaring van God se skepping, en daarom ‘n blye boodskap vir alle mense. Dit verskyn aan die mens deur die koms van die Messias: Vandag verskyn Hy in heerlikheid aan die mens, deur die evangelie, as die liggaam wat God Hom gegee het [HEB 10:5]. Dit is Sy Kerk soos Apostel Paulus in die Skrifte daarvan skryf. [EFE 4:1-16; ROM 12:4-8; 1 KOR 12:27-28]

2) (I) Current teaching: The gospel of the Kingdom of God is a true and reliable revelation of the creation of God and therefore good news to man. His Kingdom appears to man by the coming of the Messiah: Today He appears in glory to man through the gospel as a body that God has given Him. [HEB10:5] This body is His Church as described by Apostle Paul in the Scriptures: [EPH 4:1-16; ROM 12:4-8; 1 COR 12: 27-28]

Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

… Today He appears in glory to man through the gospel as a body that God has given Him. [HEB10:5] This body is His Church…??? NO!!!! Why don’t you read the Bible in context??? Go and read those verses in their proper context by reading the rest of the verses!!! The church is NOT the MESSIAH!!! ONLY JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH IS THE MESSIAH!!! Jesus is the HEAD of the church!!! For how long is the OAC going to continue denying Jesus Christ of Nazareth as the head of the church???
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John5 June 2019 at 21:58
Kom ons almal wat in die kerk van die HERE is, bid vir die OAK lede en ampte, want hulle is almal met blidheid geslaan. Van hulle apostel tot by die kinders wat voor gelieg word. Ek hoop die hele oak sien die lig voor dit te laat is. Hemel en Hel bestaan. Dit is regte plekke. As julle die Bybel begin lees sal julle dit sien. Julle moet eers kan sien voordat julle die Bybel lees. Wat moet julle eers sien? Dat julle verlei word.
In die land van die blindes is die een oog koning. Ek hoop julle verstaan.
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Unknown8 June 2019 at 01:04
OAK TOK/OAC HTC
8) Heilige Gees: Toegang tot die Koninkryk Die besit van die Heilige Gees is noodsaaklik vir toegang tot en voortgesette inwoning van die koninkryk van God (die Kerk) en om as die eiendom van Christus (die Kerk) gereken te word. [JOH 3:5 ; ROM 8:9]

8) Holy Spirit: Essential for Admission to the Kingdom. The possession of the Holy Spirit is essential for admission to and continued residence in the kingdom of God (the Church) and to be counted as belonging to Christ (the Church). [JOH 3:5 ; ROM 8:9]

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

… residence in the kingdom of God (the Church)…??? Which Bible are you reading from??? Or did you just make it up without reading the Bible??? Have you never read Rom 14:17??? For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. When Christ shall reign for ever and ever, the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of our Lord (Rev 11:15).

… counted as belonging to Christ (the Church)…??? Seriously, which Bible are you reading from??? Have you never read Eph 5:23??? Christ is the head of the church. And he is the head of the body, the church (Col 1:18).

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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John8 June 2019 at 16:51
Die oak bestaan van 1926 af. As julle nou die "kerk" is, waar of wie was die kerk voor die oak bestaan het. Hoekom kan julle apostels nie doen wat Jesus se Apostels gedoen het nie? En hoekom het Jesus se Apostels NOOIT na hulle self verwys en gese hulle is Christus nie. Ek hoop jy sien julle is verlei.
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Unknown2 July 2019 at 23:02
OAK TOK/OAC HTC
2) Huidige Lering: As Jesus dus in die vlees uit die graf opgestaan het, is dit nie vir ons van belang nie, want die Skrifte beklemtoon Sy geestelike opstanding in ‘n verheerlikte liggaam met vele lede, naamlik die Kerk. Ons verkies om, soos die Skrifte, op die geestelike opstanding te konsentreer. [1 PET 3:18; JOH 12:23-24]

2) Current Teaching: If Jesus rose from the grave in the flesh, then it is less important because Scripture emphasizes His spiritual resurrection, in a glorified body with many members, which is the Church. We prefer to concentrate on the spiritual resurrection which is emphasized in Scripture. [1 PET 3:18; JOH 12:23-24]

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Joh 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

…If Jesus rose from the grave in the flesh, then it is less important…??? IF??? LESS IMPORTANT???
…His spiritual resurrection, in a glorified body with many members, which is the Church…??? You guys are unbelievable in your constant attempts to twist Scripture to glorify the OAC instead of Jesus!!!
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John3 July 2019 at 20:51
The only reason why the oac don't want to except that JESUS rose from the grave, (although the grave was empty) is the fact that their doctrine will blow up in their face ,because how can someone with a natural body ascend into the apostles head? They are so lost.
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John3 July 2019 at 21:02
Die enigste rede hoekom die oac nie wil aanvaar dat JESUS uit die graf opgestaan het nie,( alhoewel die graf leeg was) is dan is hulle geloof waansinnig.(wat wel is ) Want hoe kan n liggaam in hulle apostels se koppe in opvaar. Toe JESUS opgevaar het Hemel toe sien hulle mos in die apostels se koppe in!!!!!
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dennis5 August 2019 at 15:43
dis baie snaaka dat een groep oak lede glo dat Jesus wel n mens was maar n ander groep glo dit niehulle se Hy was Gees maar hulle almal glo nie dat Jesus weer gaan kom nie alowel hulle so se verwys hulle na die werld sodra hulle in getuienis met hulle is dan het Jesus gekom maar ek lees in die bybel dat self Sy Apostel van daar die tyd uitsien na Sy koms en die oak apostels hulle het Hom
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Melt Olckers7 August 2019 at 07:11
Dennis. Die Viervoudige Bediening of Viervoudelike Amp verwys na die Apostel, Profeet, Evangelis en Opsiener testame. Dit is afkomstig uit Efe 4: 11 waar dit bespreek word as belangrike instrumente in die kerk waardeur die Heilige Gees werk. Dit is nie net verwysend na 'n spesifieke persoon wat die besonderse amp dra nie, maar ook verwysend na die gawe wat deur elkeen werk. Die beskrywing van Herder en Leeraar is verwysend na een bediening.
Hierdie beskrywing kom regdeur die Bybel voor, soos die vier riviere in die Paradys. Daniel en sy drie vriende, Esegiel se visioen van die kreatuur met vier gesigte, en ook in Openbaring as die vier Aardsengele om die troon van God. Alhoewel die Apostel gestel is bokant die ander, is al vier bedieninge onderhewig aan die gesag van Jesus Christus, die Hoof van die Kerk. Die Heilige Gees werk in hulle, Christus werk deur hulle, en die Vader oor hulle.
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Melt Olckers7 August 2019 at 07:16
Die feit dat daar 'n debat is binne in die OAK ten opsigte van die historiese Jesus wys dat daar plek is vir gesonde oop gesprek, wat andersins lei tot allerhande beskuldigings in die NG Kerk wanneer dieselfde debat daar plaasvind.
'n Onderskeid moet gemaak word tussen Jesus, wat wel 'n historiese persoon was, wat geleef en gesterf het in Judea in die eerste eeu (vermoedelik). Omdat daar baie teenstrydighede is in die Evangelies oor die tyd waarin Jesus geleef het kan daar met glad nie vasgestel word presies wanneer hy geleef het nie. Christus aan die ander kant weer is die amp waarin Jesus gestaan het. Jesus het vir 'n beperkte tyd geleef terwyl Christus, die Seun van God reeds van die begin daar was (verw Gen 1, en Joh 1:1). Christus is ten alle tye dieselfde en onveranderlik, daarom kan hy nie weggeneem word van die mens af nie.
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John8 August 2019 at 20:07
Melt, Ek dink iewers is n skroef los in die stelling wat jy maak.
Waar was Christus voor die opstanding ?
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Unknown22 August 2019 at 00:55
T.O.K Apostel Vermaak (KZN en Namibië)
Woensdag 22 Augustus
21) Ons moet verstaan wat dit beteken om toegewyd aan ‘n lewe in Christus te wees. Ons lewe in die Kerk word geeste-lik en natuurlik gevorm deur die voorbeeld en leiding in die Skrifte want dit getuig van die Here. Dit getuig ook van die feit dat ons, ons lewe in die Vader, deur die Seun Jesus Christus, die Kerk kanaliseer!
Joh 5v39, Joh 14v6.

H.T.C Apostle Vermaak (KZN and Namibia)
Wednesday 22 August
21) We must understand what it means to be commit-ted to a life in Jesus Christ. Our life in the Church is shaped both spiritually and naturally on the example and guidance found in Sriptures, for they testify of the Lord. Scriptures testify also of the fact that we must channel our life in the Father through Jesus Christ, the Church!
Joh 5v39, Joh 14v6.

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

… We must understand what it means to be commit-ted to a life in Jesus Christ… Jesus Christ, the Church… ??? For how long is the OAC going to deny Jesus as the only Lord and Saviour??? Read the whole Bible and wake up!!!
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John22 August 2019 at 19:58
Mat24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many (verse 24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Now this is where the problem lies. Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? the same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. the same Jesus, not the OAC the same one .
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Unknown10 September 2019 at 16:04
As die oak lede dan se dat Jesus reeds gekom het dan glo hulle gld nie in die bybel nie veral waar Jesus self se Hy eendag weerkom Hy gaan na Sy Vader toe in die hemel so ook getuig Sy Apostels ook daarvan nou wil ek graag weet as hulle die oak lede so se waneer het Jesus dan gekom en waar is die hemel dan waar Hy heen gegaan het
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John19 September 2019 at 07:55
The oac do not except the fact that Jesus went to heaven. The reason is, then they must believe in the resurrection of Jesus, which they dont,
that is why they are Antichrist's. The name Jesus is a stumbling block unto them. Jesus said (John 16:7) " Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you." This is the most difficult text for them to understand. Jesus said he "is going away" the oac cant grasp this.
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dennis19 September 2019 at 14:43
Johan, jy is reg met daai teks want Jesus lieg nie as hy dit se nie maar die ou apostolies sal dit verdraai om hulle geloof tepas hulle sal dit ook nie erken nie want dan sal baie van hul eie lede hul aanvat en vra wat gaan aan ek wens net dat hulle die bybel sal lees en glo wat daarin staan en nie mens van vandag nie want die mens van vandag kan dit verdraai soos hy voel en baie glo dit en nie die bybel as hulle moet erken dat Jesus weer eendag gaan kom is hulle kerk leeg en hulle apostels sonder werk en geld dis die groot rede
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Unknown27 September 2019 at 13:11
dit lyk my sodra iemand die oac lede en ampte iets vra aangaande die bybel wat hulle nie kan verklaar nie raak hulle stil of is dit dalk dat hulle ontbloot is en dan bang is om te antwoord en dat hulle besef dat die gene wat vrae vra en tekse gee die waarheid praat
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John29 September 2019 at 15:09
Jesus, (the One the OAC denied) is the Way,the Truth and the Life.
no man cometh unto the Father but by Me. The OAC say they are the way, they are Jesus. But we know they are the false Prophets who do not believe in Jesus. Their Jesus is still lying in a grave.
Therefore they are the Antichrist.
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Unknown4 October 2019 at 14:47
Waar is die oak lede hul ampte en die apostels wat op die blok is nou is hulle stil
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Christian Kaiser8 October 2019 at 10:24
The OAC were on the right path a long time ago. Right about the time of its start in 1927.

But since then it's been a downward spiral where the officers who have no education continue to teach what they "think" is the truth.

It gets worse every generation.
Here are some of the most frightening teachings that are now making the rounds:

1.The Holy Trinity is not three persons. There is only one person. (They don't understand why the Hymn book says "God in three persons")

2. That my conscience will judge me or Christ in me will judge me. (Not realising that we will all stand infront of the real and actual Jesus who will judge us all).

3. God did not create the physcial earth. He only created the spiritual mind of understanding. (Big problem because it suggests that creation is not from God and God HImself is a concept that exists in the minds of members).

4. The communion is our sacrifice and our work.
(I was there when the Apostle taught that the first drop of blood is our own blood. That was a decade ago. NOW the blood is our blood. Heresey after heresy.)

5. That only Old Apostolics are made in the image of God. (This means that other people are dead souls. This understanding kills the compassion for fellow humans. The real original Christian teaching is that ALL people are made in God's image which is "free will", "the ability to love" , "the ability to create", "the ability to choose God".

Thank you Ex-OAC Critic. I once mocked you. Now I ask forgiveness knowing that I was deceived by a doctrine that changes every few years and that has turned away from the Lord Jesus. I pray for all OAC members. They are sincere people that need the True and Living God, Jesus Christ: God who became a human, Fully God Fully Man as per confession of faith.
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John10 October 2019 at 18:08
Praise the Lord, another oac member, saw the light. Continue the light and testimony of Jesus Christ, Ex_OAC critic
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Unknown16 October 2019 at 22:20
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10) Heilige Skrif: N T: I & II Thessalonicense: Die Apostel vermaan die gelowiges in [I THE] om hulle alledaagse lewe volgens God se wil te leef. In [II THE] word die gelowiges wat swaarkry, aangemoedig om te volhard in die geloof sodat hulle lidmaatskap van Jesus Christus, die Kerk, volkome kan wees. [I THE 5:1-9]

10) Holy Scripture: NT: I & II Thessalonians. The Apostle urges the believers in [I THE] to live their daily lives according to the will of God. In [II THE], suffering members are encouraged to persevere in the faith to ensure that their membership in Jesus Christ, the Church, is perfectly whole. [I THE 5:1-9]

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

… persevere in the faith to ensure that their membership in Jesus Christ, the Church…??? You guys obviously didn’t read further than verse 9!!! How convenient!!!

1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
1Th 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

Did the OAC die for you on the cross???
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Unknown23 October 2019 at 13:19
Hier word die waarheid gepraat die OAC het vir niemand op die kruis gesterf nie hulle het eers in 1927 tot stand gekom
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Unknown17 November 2019 at 17:45
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17) [III] Belofte van God: Die Ewige Lewe: In die eerste brief van Johannes, meld hy dat dit opgeteken is, dat God ons die ewige lewe gegee het, en dié lewe is in Sy Seun, Jesus Christus, die Kerk. [2 PET 1:1-4,11; I JOH 5:11-13]

17) [III] Promise of God: Eternal Life. God will give us eternal life, through faith in His Son, Jesus Christ. [JOH 17:3] In the first epistle of John, he states that it is on record that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son, Jesus Christ, the Church. [I JOH 5:11-13; 2 PET 1:1-4,11]

2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2Pe 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

…His Son, Jesus Christ, the Church…???
And so the OAC and their “apostles” continue to deny Jesus as Lord and Savior by referring to themselves as the Son of God!!! Members of the OAC, WAKE UP!!!
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John17 November 2019 at 20:31
From the beginning of time men (man and woman) want to be gods. Adam and Eve were deceived by the devil with these words " Gen 2:5 "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." The oac also want to be god
They are the Antichrist who exalted them self to be like God.
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Unknown8 February 2020 at 22:46
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8) Geloofsbelydenis: Laaste Geloofstelling: Tweede Tema: Eer Gee erkenning aan iets of iemand en betoon respek daarvoor. Net soos daar van ons verwag word om eer aan God die Vader te gee, so word dit ook verwag dat ons eer aan Sy Seun, Jesus Christus, die Kerk, sal bewys. [MAL 1:6; JOH 5:23]

8) Confession of Faith: Last Tenet: Second Theme: Honour: To recognise and have respect for something or someone. Just as we are expected to honour God the Father, so too must we honour His Son, Jesus Christ the Church. [MAL 1:6 ; JOH 5:23]

Mal 1:6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

…so too must we honour His Son, Jesus Christ the Church…??? Jesus of Nazareth is God’s only begotten SON you ignorant bunch of false apostles!!!
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Unknown5 March 2020 at 00:03
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5) Geloofsbelydenis: Laaste Geloofstelling: Derde Tema: “Ter wille van die Here” Die “Here” verwys na die Kerk, sy lede en instellings. “Ter wille van die Here” verwys derhalwe na die dinge wat tot die Kerk se voordeel is; om die belange van die Kerk te bevorder en dit nie te verneder, in ‘n verleentheid of tot skande te bring nie. [MAT 5:13-16]

5) Confession of Faith: Last Tenet: Third Theme: “For the Lord’s sake” The “Lord” refers to the Church, its members and institutions. “For the Lord’s sake” therefore refers to those things that are beneficial to the Church; to advance the Church and not embarrass or bring it into disrepute. [MAT 5:13-16]

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

… The “Lord” refers to the Church, its members and institutions…??? The LORD our GOD is one LORD you ignorant bunch of false apostles!!! Go and read a Bible!!! Read Deu 6:4-5, Mar 12:29-31, 1Co 8:5-6, Eph 4:4-6!!!
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Anonymous10 March 2020 at 19:56
Ons het November 2019 konferansie lering gekry en die vraag het vanaf Evangelis Barends gekom ‘Wie is my en u God?’ daar het antwoorde gekom van ‘die Priest, die owergestelde’ en Evangelis se antwoord was ‘die Broer en die Suster’. Ek glo dit vir ‘n lang tyd so.

Eersterivier se velde
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VVO5 April 2020 at 01:39
Goeiedag geliefde hiermee n paar gedagtes vir elke huis priester more:

Die tyd waarin ons is kan vir baie n problem wees of ons kan dit sien as n geleentheid om die huispriester en huispriesteres die geleentheid te gee om die huwelik en Doop verbonde daadwerklik uit te dra. Hebreers 7v26 beskryf hierdie priester as een wat heilig, onskuldig, onbesmet en afgeskeie van die sondaars is. Elke huispriester en huispriesteres kry nou die geleentheid om al hierdie eienskappe ten toon te stel. Hierdie is ook n geleentheid om daadwerklik te wys dat ons nie meer die dinge van die vlees bedink nie. Ons is weergebore deur die Gees. Ons denke en dade weerspieel dit. As wedergeborenes en geestelike mense besef ons dat die avonmaal n geestelike fees is van God se kinders. Jesus se vir sy dissipels in Johannes 6v35 dat hy die brood van die lewe is. Wie na Hom toe kom sal nooit honger kry nie. Hierdie brood besit die eienskap van lewe. In Johannes 6v51 verklaar Jesus dat die wat van die brrod eet vir ewig sal lewe. Dit bring by elkeen die vraag: Kan ek met oortuiging se dat ek die brood van die lewe is. Besit ek die eienskap om lewe aan ander te gee? Daar is n spreekwoord wat se dat n mens is wat jy eet. Indien ek dus brood (lewe) vir andere wil wees Moet ek self brood eet. Die brood wat uit die Hemel neergedaal het is Christus die kerk. Ek eet van hierdie brood wanneer ek God se Wil openbaar. In Johannes 4v34 verklaar Jesus dat sy voedsel is om die Wil van die Vader te doen. Ek word dus aanbaarbaar (eetbaar) by andere wanneer ek die Wil van die Vader doen.

Korinthiers 11v25 : Hierdie beker is die nuwe testament in my bloed:doen dit tot my gedagtenis. God het alles nuut gemaak deur die wedergeboorte. N baba word nie met ou hande of grys hare gebore nie. Alles is nuut. Dit is juis daarom dat God n nuwe verbond met ons gesluit het. Ons Sal vir hom seuns en dogters wees en Hy Sal vir ons n Vader wees. Ons drink met waardigheid uit die beker wanneer ons die verbond wat ons gesluit het nakom.

Avonmaal is dus n geestelike fees van wedergebore siele. God se verbondsvolk. 1kor 11v33 se: daarom my Broeder, as julle saamkom om te eet, wag vir mekaar. Lees ook vers 34.
Mag elke familie n geseende geleentheid he wwetend dat ons sonde vergewe is deur die genade van God die Vader deur sy seun Christus Jesus. Wees veilig. Seengroete aan elkeen. Opsiener Norman en Profeet Landrew
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Unknown29 April 2020 at 01:56
Im a OLD APOSTOLIC MEMBER AND WILL ALWAYS BE .. EX MEMBER YOU REALLY HAVE SO MUCH TIME TO TALK SO MUCH BAD THINGS ABOUT US..YOU JUST TALKING ABOUT THE OAC YOU KNOW WHY??BECAUSE U KNOW THAT WE ARE THE WAY TO HEAVEN ...
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Opsiener P.J.Scheepers27 May 2020 at 21:26
Geliefde Oudstes
Hier is wat ek vir die Vader gevra en dit is nou vas gemaak vir die 3de. Junie om 18:00 kan u dit vir almal in u verantwoordelikheid stuur(SMS of Whatsapp of e-mail) en verduidelik dat presies om 18:00 al die Apostolies in gebed oopmaak en afbid wat die Vader vir ons voorse . LAAT DIE VOLK SAAMSTAAN EN WEER DIE GELOOF IN DIE WOORD HERVESTIG WANT DIE GEBED SAL GOD VERHOOR WAT SY KINDERS VRA .DIT GLO EK (Opsiener wat daar gestel is om die winde vas te hou)
Baie lede het my gevra dat hoekom staan ons nie saam dat die VIRUS moet verdwyn nie dit is wat hulle in die vroee dae gedoen het .Wel hier is dit nou
Groete
Van Opsiener en Suster wat vol moed is
P.J.Scheepers
Geliefde VVA’e,
Die pandemie wat tans amok maak in die wêreld het ook die kinders van God negatief geraak, vir party meer as ander. In die lig van hierdie onsekere tye en ons vertroue in God en ons geloof dat Hy altyd in beheer is, roep die Apostel en Suster elke lid en Huispriesterskap tot gebed tydens ons Familie-aand op Woensdag 3 Junie om 18:00.
Dit is ons begeerte dat ons op daardie tydstip almal in gebed sal wees en die Here onderandere die volgende afbid:
Eerstens ons dankbaar vir Sy beskerming en liefde
Dat die Here sal intree en ‘n oplossing vir die pandemie tot die mens sou bring
Dat die Here Sy hand oor elkeen van Sy kinders sal hou
Dat ons nooit sal twyfel in Sy krag en liefde nie
Dat elke Huispriesterskap geseënd sal wees in hul basiese behoeftes
Dat ons spoedig weer ons Apostoliese lewe sal kan uit leef, en
Dat ons gehoorsaam aan die landswette sal wees en altyd die nodige voorsorgmaatreëls sal toepas.
AMEN
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Melt Olckers28 May 2020 at 00:41
Dit is vir my verbasend om te sien die hoeveelheid haat wat jy het om met elke woord wat uit 'n OAK lid se mond uit kom daarop kritiek te wil lewer.
Vra eerstens die vraag; Hoekom moet ons bid ten opsigte van die COVID-19 krisis? Dit is omdat die Staats President dit versoek het. Dit wys dat hy in sy hoedanigheid erken dat 'n hoer hand ingeroep moet word om die krisis te oorkom.
As lid van die OAK is dit ons verantwoordelikheid om te voldoen aan die versoek van die Staats President. Ons glo tog soos in ons Geloofsbelydenis gestel; "gehoorsaam te wees aan die wettige heersers van die land, al gaan dit met benoudheid gepaard". Persoonlik kan ek getuig dat waar die Staats President dit vroeer versoek het en 'n Nasionale biddag vir reen afgekondig het, het die OAK gehoor gegee aan die versoek en was daar in elke gemeente gebid vir reen. Ook onthou ek persoonlik 'n geleentheid waar wyle Apostel Boshoff gese het "Dit sal reen" het die eerste donderslag weerklink. Dit was die gebeurtenis wat my geloof versterk het.
Die krag van die Kerk van Christus is nie gele in 'n enkele persoon nie, maar in die eenheid van die Kerk. Die Groot Apostel en Hoepriester van ons geloof is Jesus Christus (Heb 3: 1) wat deur en in ons almal werk
Eph_4:6 een God en Vader van almal, wat oor almal en deur almal en in julle almal is
Dieselfde Gees wat deur 'n Apostel werk, werk ook deur my want dit is wat die liggaam van Jesus Christus is.
Rom_12:5 so is ons almal saam een liggaam in Christus en elkeen afsonderlik lede van mekaar.
1Co_12:12 Want net soos die liggaam een is en baie lede het, en al die lede van die een liggaam, al is hulle baie, een liggaam is, so ook Christus.
1Co_12:27 Maar julle is die liggaam van Christus en lede afsonderlik.
Ons verheerlik nie die persoon wat in die amp van Apostel staan nie. Ons verheerlik Jesus Christus, wat deur middel van die vyf gawes (Efe 4: 11) deur almal werk. Elke lid van die OAK is 'n Apostel, Profeet, Evangelis en Herder en Leeraar, waar hy gaan en in sy huis. Dit is 'n Kerk in Eenheid, gehoorsaam aan die wil van God.
En as iemand vra dat ons vir hom moet bid, of vir 'n goeie saak moet bid, dan doen ons dit. Die Staats President erken dat hy die hulp van die Almagtige God nodig het, en daarom sal ons aan sy veroek gehoor gee.
Dit sal 'n getuienis wees van die krag van die Allerhoogste God, die Vader van ons almal.

Kom ons kyk of jy Mnr Ex-OAC mans genoeg is om hierdie post goed te keur.
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Melt Olckers29 May 2020 at 08:33
Kyk na enige banknoot, sommer een in jou beursie. Wie se handtekening is daarop? 'n Persoon sin wat deur die President aangestel is. Gee aan God wat God toekom, en aan die Keiser wat die Keiser toekom. Ons geloof is om "onderdanig te wees aan die wettige leiers van die land, al gaan dit met benoudheid gepaart.
Die OAK as instansie en sy welsynsorganisasies moet voldoen aan die vereistes gestel deur die Staat, dit sluit in sonerings permitte, goedgekeurde bouplanne vir sale, rapportering van Direksie veranderinge, voldoening aan vereistes vir NGO's, en vele meer. Die StaatsPresident as hoof van die Staat aan wie die Kerk en sy lede gehoorsaam moet wees.
Die OAK verkondig die evangelie van Jesus Christus wat vrede, liefde, lankmoedigheid, en verdraagsaamheid verkondig. Om gehoorsaam te wees aan die Staat is om gehoorsaam te wees aan 'n opdrag van Jesus Christus nl; om onderdanig en gehoorsaam te wees aan die wettige heersers van die land, of jy nou met hulle beleid saamstem of nie. Die OAK is nie 'n terroriste organisasie nie, en steun ook nie aksies teen die Staat nie.
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Melt Olckers29 May 2020 at 21:16
Die opdrag is gegee vanaf die Konverensie van Apostels dat alle lede op Sondag 31 Mei om 10:00 waar hulle ook al is, in gebed te gaan rakende die Covid-19 pandemie.
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Melt Olckers16 June 2020 at 22:08
Ons kan ook die hele gesprek omkeer en vir jou vra in watter Kerk is jy? Maar dit blyk dat jy skaam is om dit te noem omdat jy weet dat jy jouself dan vir alle kritiek blootstel. Wat is jou geloofsbelydenis? Glo jy aan God? Of dalk aan Satan? Wat steek jy weg? Wie is jy? Om te skuil agter 'n skuilnaam?
Dan kan ek ook verwys na die teksgedeelte wat praat van Een Here, een geloof en een doop. Jou kerk is moontlik deel van 'n gemeenskap van gelowe wat nie eers oor basiese dinge soos doop en ras kan ooreenstem nie. Die NG Kerk wil nie eers hul besluite oor die vrou in die amp of homoseksualiteit op hul eie kerk afdwing nie uit vrees dat lede mag wegbreek, wat ook dreig om te gebeur. Selfs in die pinkster kerke is daar oneenheid. Oor dinge soos die evolusie, die duiwel en demonologie. Sommige pinkster leiers verkondig onwetenskaplike leringe soos dat geestes siektes duiwels besetenheid is, of dat Rock musiek mense na satanisme toe dryf. Onthou jy hoe die pinskter leiers gewaarsku het hoe Rosk musiek anti-apartheid bevorder wat kwansuis duiwels was.
Waar val jy in? Wat is jou siening? Glo jy ook soos sommige die aarde is plat, of dat Noag se Ark nog op Ararat is? Of dat daar bewyse is van Eksodus in die Nyl rivier?
Wie is jy?
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OAC HTC12 July 2020 at 01:41
12 July 2020
(II) Confession of Faith: Immanuel: Being the Son of God, Jesus Christ possesses the same power and authority of God. [MAT 28:18] God is still with us, even today; the Church is the Body of Jesus Christ and therefore we continue to have Christ and God, the Father with us.[1 COR 12:12-27; 1 JOH 4:1-3] The Church, as the Body of Christ, is the Mediator between God and man today. [1 TIM 2:5; JOH 14:6]
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OAC Escapee. 40 LONG Years!31 August 2020 at 21:41
So..of you believe in the Word, God will keep Covid-19 away? And You will not get infected?
If that's the case, then MANY Fourfold officers don't believe because I know of several fourfold officers who got Covid-19.
Perhaps th3y skipped giving a tenth of tbeir salary that month so God punished them?
PLEASE enlightening me..
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OAC Escapee. 40 LONG Years!31 August 2020 at 22:07
Officers and Apostleship Greed.
I was privi to the 2014 Financial Documents and Budgets for KZN while attending the annual Financial meeting in Malvern Community where all the officers met once a year to discuss the financial state of the Church.
The average salary of the Apostels were R100 000 per MONTH.
The average salary of the Fourfold officers that worked for Head Office from 8 to 5 pm as an employee on a natural basis, was around R60 000 per month.
Then, they also got a FULL 100% Bonus In November, which meant a juicy R100 000 to R120 000 salary. And these positions that these Fourfold officers held were very mundane positions of managing maintenance on the halls and so on. Something that any other person could do for R25 000 per month.
On top of that, they received R15 000 house subsidies.
Cell phone alowences and also shared a pool car and received travel allowances.
These exorbitant salaries and perks totalled 60% of the cost to run KZN region.
Yes.. only 40% of the funds/ tithes were allocated to maintenance of halls, municipal costs and so on.
So I ask you with tears in my eyes.. The Church places so much pressure on members and officers to tithe even when they are not capable to do so... all for what? To keep greedy officers' pockets full.
Ever wondered why so many officers are put in during Sealing services? To boost the tights of course. When you are an officer on the OAC, you are obligated to Tithe.
So let's out 10 new Underdeacons in and 6 Priests.. regardless of how capable they are. Regardless of there were any gifts..
We look good in the eyes of the Apostels and the cash will roll in.
Prove me wrong... I am all ears.
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