Thursday, 1 June 2017

Doctrine - OAC's version of Jesus

Your “owergestelde” has spoken...

The OAC Confession of Faith states that they believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God. OAC members will also freely proclaim that they believe in Jesus Christ and that they believe He is the High Priest of their church. On the surface these statements are exactly what one would expect from a Christian organization, and to any outsider such statements would not raise any eyebrows. That is, until you start to scratch beneath the surface and realize OAC members are not referring to the historical and Biblical Jesus of Nazareth who was physically crucified approximately 2,000 years ago.

OAC member #1 wrote: “...Dit is Hoekom Ek Psalm 23 Altyd Lees ek het net een HERDER en Dit is God(My PRIESTER)...”
For those of you who don’t understand Afrikaans, this member is saying “…That is Why I always read Psalm 23 I have just one SHEPHERD and It is God(My PRIEST)...”

OAC member #2 wrote: “ is o paramount importance to be obedient to the word of your over placed; Priest...”

OAC member #3 wrote: “...Onthou net een ding. Daar was nooit n physical Jesus op aarde nie... Jesus praat deur gesindhede, wat diere of mens kan wees... wat nie die physical human body is nie...”
For those of you who don’t understand Afrikaans, this member is saying “...Just remember one thing. There was never a physical Jesus on earth... Jesus speaks through attitudes, which could be animals or a person... which isn’t the physical human body...”

OAC member #4 wrote: “…The world out there are still awaiting the return of Jesus Christ and yet, He has arrived in this wonderful body that we are members in particular of…”

OAC member #5 wrote: “…I am equal to Jesus, so I am also the Lord and so you are and everyone in our church…”

An OAC “priest” wrote: “...Whatever your concerns, worries or desires are, go to the man that God has placed in front of you and allow him to save you with his advice. He is not simply the man you see with your eyes, but God has seen fit to place the only saviour FOR YOU, within him. Don’t look at him as your “over placed” Priest but as your servant, your guide, your friend and your altar. Ask him for all you want because God has placed himself within that man especially for YOU. If you are too proud or ashamed to tell him the truth or ask him what you want, that’s your loss until the day you try it. Give him all your confessions, all your concerns and thank him sometimes if you have come to understand that what you have received in life is not by your own cleverness, or good works. It is all by the grace of God. Sometimes it is hard to see the shepherd God has put there for us. Maybe he is too ugly, too poor, too old or uneducated to my mind of reasoning. But within him is the Lord. Put your trust in him. Forget the Jesus of imagination who has no flesh or human form. Christ is within us and has come. Love the people you see who are more or less the same as you. They are called Apostolics they are the living body of Christ...”

The current teaching in the OAC Home Tuition Calendar teaches: “...the ascension of Jesus Christ for us and our ascension with Him, as members of His glorified body, who had risen from the grave. The ascension of Jesus Christ is an important spiritual anchor for the Church. It already started when He saw the multitudes and then went up on the mountain to bless them, for they are the salt of the earth and the light of the world...”

“...Jesus said that He is the living bread that came down from heaven, and if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. He said that the bread that He shall give is His flesh, which He shall give for the life of the world. Our neighbour and fellow members in His body are the true bread from heaven and eating (utilizing) them, according to God’s will, shall give us life forevermore...”

An ex-OAC “elder” wrote: “...If any minister questioned something regarding the sermon, they were revealing a "devil spirit" and not a "child spirit", and you accept everything being preached by your "overplaced" (the ministry above you)...”

Former OAC member #1 wrote: “…I also can’t see why I must ask the priest for something, or to grant me a safe journey, as I pray to God myself and ask Him...”

Former OAC member #2 wrote: “...If a member cannot attend a meeting (say for example he has to work) then he is expected to inform his Priest so that he can be remembered in the opening prayers and still be “under the blessing”. Yes I know this sounds ridiculous...”

“...for any member of the church God is his superior officer. So, for Brothers, Sisters, Underdeacons – God is the Priest. For Priests, God is the Elder. For Elders, God is the fourfold office (Overseers – who actually hold 2 offices; that of Pastor and Teacher, Evangelists – responsible for all evangelical work and testimony, Prophets – responsible for all Prophetic Gifts dreams and vision). So if Seth came in the “supervisory role” then he was God at that time. I know this sounds silly. However you must understand how OAC members are brainwashed to believe these things...”

Former OAC member #3 wrote: “…I often recall a priest pinching the flesh on his arm and saying, "THIS is Jesus," meaning that Jesus is one's flesh, one's earthly body. People would laugh at those who prayed to 'liewe Jesus', regarding them as being in the darkness, uninformed, not having a 'spiritual eye', thus being 'carnal minded'. What a complete distortion of the truth...”

“…If you were a brother or unmarried sister, you had to go to the priest that had been allocated to serve the area in the community where you lived. This was regarded as 'facing East'. You could not go to any other priest, even if he was in your community. The OAC believes that the word of your 'owergestelde' was God to you. This 'facing East' principle applied to every member in the church - the underdeacon had to go to his allocated priest, the priest had to go to his allocated elder, etc. I always wondered who the apostle went to; who was his 'owergestelde'? This OAC understanding of "the Word was [is] God", is a complete distortion of John 1:1 (KJV): "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." My first realisation that the OAC was not 'the way', was when I asked my priest's blessing to heal my son through a healthy lifestyle and natural remedies (vegan diet, pure water, sunlight, fresh air). The priest scoffed at this idea, whereas I knew a sister in another community who had received her priest's blessing to do the same thing. I reasoned that in Scripture we learn that He is the Alpha and the Omega, that He never changes (Revelation 22:13), so if the priest's word was God, both I and the sister in the other community would have received the same word. I thank God for opening my eyes to the deception in the church I had loved so long. No human man's word is God. That is sheer blasphemy to think your word is God to another human being. My family would have been lost had I remained in the OAC. I had met some of the most sincere, unselfish people in that church, but my loyalty should be towards God, and not towards man...”

When OAC members refer to “Jesus Christ”, then they’re actually referring to themselves collectively. The “Jesus Christ” that the OAC believe in is not the same historical and Biblical Jesus Christ that Christians believe in. OAC members refer to Christians who believe in Jesus as the “world”. The OAC believe they are the Jesus that has returned even though the Old Apostolic Church was only registered for the first time in 1927.

The OAC Sealing document under the heading ‘THE REBIRTH: SECONDLY BY THE BLOOD states: “...through the sacrificing of his blood today for me through his anointed officers who labored, sacrificed themselves for me by doing so were my transgressions blotted out I was reconciled onto God...”

The OAC Sealing document under the heading ‘THE REBIRTH: THIRDLY BY THE SPIRIT’ states: “...I am not the apostle but merely a servant of the Apostle (Hebrews 3 declares (“Consider the Apostle and High Priest of our Profession Christ Jesus) which is the entire church...”

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Strangely enough, the OAC apostolate decided in 2001 that Jesus did physically exist in the flesh (as a human). They can’t claim to be the original church that Jesus started if they deny that Jesus ever existed. The OAC version of history is a whole different matter altogether and was discussed in another post. Despite the apostolate decision in 2001 there are still major debates going on within the OAC as to whether Jesus really existed. Most members seem to believe that Jesus was never born and that He must be viewed “spiritually”.

A church debating Jesus' existence

An OAC member wrote: “…Jesus Christ was/is/will be coming in the flesh ( human mind) as the incorruptible seed that is sown by the Sower. Jesus Christ performing miracles and wonders within your mind even today as it was in the beginning…”

The “miracles” performed by the OAC “Jesus” is understood “spiritually”. For example, a “dead” OAC member is someone who doesn’t attend the OAC activities. When members visit them they’re already “stinking” which means they’re complaining about why they’re not attending the church activities. Then when they hear the latest teaching from the “apostle”, the spoken words supposedly breathe “life” back into the “dead” and they start going back to church again – a miracle. All the miracles performed in the Bible are interpreted allegorically.

OAC members love their church but doubt Jesus

OAC members commonly believe the body of Christ and Jesus Christ is one and the same. There appears to be confusion and a misunderstanding regarding the difference between a bride and bridegroom.

  • A bridegroom refers to a man on his wedding day, or just before and after the event.
  • A bride refers to a woman on her wedding day, or just before and after the event.
  • Consummation means the man and woman become one flesh (Genesis 2:24, Matthew 19:5-6, Mark 10:8, 1 Corinthians 6:16, Ephesians 5:31). They are still a man and a woman, two individuals, despite being one flesh.
  • The husband is the head of the wife (Ephesians 5:23), this does not mean that the wife loses her own pretty head on her shoulders.
  • Because they are one flesh the husband ought to love his wife’s body as his own (Ephesians 5:28), her body is now also his body. This does not mean his body ceases to exist or vice versa, they belong to one another by being loyal to one another.

Now keeping the above in mind, read the following verses very carefully:
Ephesians 5:23-33 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Jesus Christ isn’t the OAC or any other church because He is the head of the body, the church (Colossians 1:18). Using matrimony as an example we can understand that Jesus is the Bridegroom (Matthew 9:14-15, Mark 2:18-20, Luke 5:33-35, John 3:27-29, Ephesians 5:23-32) and the church is His bridesmaid also known as the body of Christ (Romans 12:5, 1 Corinthians 10:16-17, 1 Corinthians 12:12-27, Ephesians 4:11-13). Notice that none of these verses refer to any “gift” within you as being your soul’s “bridegroom”.

According to Strong’s, the word “church” in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word ekklēsia and is defined as:
a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.

We should always be ready by having enough oil in our lamps like the five wise virgins because we know neither the day nor the hour wherein the bridegroom (Son of man) will come (Matthew 25:1-13). Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb (Revelation 19:7-9).

Catechism of the Old Apostolic Church of Africa…Part 2; Question 27 (pages 62-63):
“Has Christ already come, or do we still expect him?” (Sic)
Ans. (a) Because the world expects that Christ will come on a natural cloud, they still look forward to his coming. From Matt. 16 v. 28, it is however clear, that Christ must already have come…”

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

The OAC confuse this verse with the restoration of the kingdom to Israel and Jesus’ promised return (Acts 1:6-11). Jesus shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of His disciples forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God before He was taken up (Acts 1:2-5). The same Jesus, which was taken up from His disciples into heaven, shall so come in like manner as they saw him go into heaven (Acts 1:11).

There are parallel verses to Matthew 16:28, in Mark 9:1 and Luke 9:27 we read of the kingdom of God which will be seen by some of those standing there before they taste of death. All three gospels give an account of Jesus’ transfiguration after He made that statement. Peter, James and John were eyewitnesses on the mountain when Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah (Matthew 17:1-13, Mark 9:2-13, Luke 9:28-36).

Peter, being one of those present when Jesus made that statement, saw for himself the transfiguration of Jesus on the mountain. Not with cunningly devised fables, but as an eyewitness.

2 Peter 1:16-18 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

Later, the disciples saw the pouring out of the Holy Ghost at Pentecost (Acts 2:1-13) and the kingdom of God is righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost (Romans 14:17). Jesus said if any man keeps His saying they will never see death (John 8:51). This then is a grave warning to those who keep not His saying and will taste of the second death which is the lake of fire (Revelation 2:11, Revelation 20:6, Revelation 20:14, Revelation 21:8).

Catechism of the Old Apostolic Church of Africa…Part 2; Question 27 (pages 62-63):
“Has Christ already come, or do we still expect him?” (Sic)
 Ans. (b) From 2 Tim. 4 v. 7-8 it is clear that Christ must already have come during Apostle Paul’s life on earth…”

2 Timothy 4:7-8 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

These verses need to be read in context.

  • Paul starts the chapter with “…I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom…” (2 Timothy 4:1).
  • Paul was writing about his own personal departure “…For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand…” (2 Timothy 4:6).
  • Later Paul writes “…Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ…” (Titus 2:13).

Jesus’ apostles were contemporaries of Paul, and Jesus appeared to Paul after His resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:4-8). Stephen was a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost (Acts 6:5-6), and when he was martyred he saw the heavens opened and Jesus standing on the right hand of God (Acts 7:55-59). The same Saul who witnessed the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7:58, Acts 22:20) would later become Paul after his encounter with Jesus en-route to Damascus (Acts 9:3-7, Acts 22:6-9). The men journeying with him to Damascus heard a voice but didn’t see who was speaking. They also saw the light from heaven and were afraid. These appearances by Jesus are not to be confused with the thousand year reign (Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:3-13, Revelation 20:1-6). Note that Jesus did not appear to Stephen or Paul as a church or OAC cloud of witnesses. Neither did any of Jesus’ disciples claim to be Jesus, individually or collectively.

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

The above verse is popularly used by some OAC members as a proof text in their arguments. Great emphasis is placed on the words “is come” as if to imply the present tense. Please note that this verse is quoted from the King James Version (1611) also known as the Authorised Version which is officially recognised and used by the OAC.

The verse in the KJV was translated from the following Greek Textus Receptus:
ἐν τούτῳ γινώσκετε τὸ πνεῦμα τοῦ θεοῦ· πᾶν πνεῦμα ὃ ὁμολογεῖ Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν ἐν σαρκὶ ἐληλυθότα ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ ἐστιν

ἐληλυθότα = elēlythota = having come or has come (Strong’s)

It’s the same word used in Acts 18:2 and in both instances it is used in the context of past tense. The Afrikaans Bible (AFR 33-57), the Zulu Bible (1st edition 77) and the New King James Version (Thomas Nelson 83) which are also officially recognized by the OAC also uses past tense.

False apostles and false prophets cannot forge or counterfeit the coming of the Son of man, the only way they can try is by attempting to deceive people with false interpretations. Jesus warns us not to follow them because they will say “Lo here” and then try convincing people that they (false prophets and false churches) are Christ.

A picture paints a thousand words

Matthew 24:23-28 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Through false teachings the false Christs and false prophets try to make themselves the source of your eternal life, instead of Jesus. They exalt themselves, they exalt their organization, and they exalt their “spiritual teachings” to the place of Jesus over your life.

There is only one way for salvation, by man comes death but by Jesus Christ comes life eternal (1 Corinthians 15:20-23). There is only one REAL Jesus and He is the ONLY Messiah.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The OAC is not the source of eternal life. OAC officers are not the source of eternal life. The OAC sealing service is not the source of eternal life. Mysteries or “spiritual” interpretations are not the source of eternal life. Jesus the Christ is the ONLY source of eternal life. He offers this wonderful gift to anyone who believes in Him.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

False Christs and false prophets will try and teach you that if you want to come to God and have a personal relationship with Him, you have to submit to their leadership and follow their “teachings”. In this way they try to make themselves the “way” to God. They will try to teach you to discard everything you learned outside of their organization and that everyone else are the “world”. They will claim that their teachings are unique and exalt themselves and their teachings as the truth. They won’t preach Jesus as the only Messiah and they will try and convince you that the real Jesus is a figment of man’s imagination. They won’t encourage you to read the whole Bible because they don’t trust that the Holy Spirit will teach you as you read. They will exalt themselves as your main teacher and “guru” to understand the Bible.

Jesus said the Holy Spirit would testify of Him and glorify Him (John 15:26, John 16:13-14). The name of Jesus is above every name; Jesus Christ is Lord (Philippians 2:9-11).

1 Timothy 2:5-6 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


  1. Only an idiot will approve the use of so-called natural remedies. There is a word for remedies that work: medicine.

  2. if Klibbe was send by the NAC and believed in their confession of faith(October 1916 letter), who, why and when did the OAC changed this believe. Do you really think its possible for a human being to have twisted the truth and "enslaved" an entire nation for more than a 100 years without some sort of divine help? Just asking

    1. Good question, I’d also love to know who changed the belief. Of all the Irvingite churches, it’s unique to the OAC and the Apostelamt Juda which later became Apostelamt Jesu Christi. The founder of Apostelamt Juda, “elder” Julius Fischer was excommunicated in 1902 for his views. He believed Jesus Christ had already returned in the re-established “apostle” office and according to him, there was no future second coming. After 1927 these views also somehow crept into the OAC belief system which I think over time got progressively worse. It may have started with the Ninows, there were after all three “apostles” from this one family. And yes, I believe a human being is able to twist the truth in any cult, that’s exactly how cults operate and why they are called cults. Feel free to read some of the links I placed on the right. Look at Jim Jones and how he was able to convince an entire congregation to drink poison and die in South America. The OAC are not an entire nation and make up a very small percentage of the population in comparison to other churches. The OAC is less than a 100 years old. Thanks for asking.

    2. Can you please motivate this statement?
      It is clear from evidence that the NAC deviated drastically from the original theology after 6 December 1895. The first action of the German branch was the declaration by Krebs that he is the Chief Apostle.
      The second was the interference in the organization of the Dutch Church who by right could choose an apostle in accordance to the will of late Apostle Schwartz. This decision to choose an own apostle was upheld by the Dutch court.
      The third was that the successor of Krebs, Hermann Niehaus banned all prophetiv gifts and refused to ordain Prophets.
      The fourth was a return to the Bible in a natural and not allegorical manner. This led to the NAC accepting the return of Jesus Christ as a future literal event, and the eventual "Message of Bischoff".
      By 1913, the NAC lost all contact with all foreign Apostolic Churches, except for Indonesia where the NAC had problems keeping Apostle Sadrach under control, as he still promoted the Bible as a spiritual book. Removing Sadrach from office would also have meant the loss of the entire Javanese church, which eventually happened after Sadrach died and the Javanese church refused to accept the Chief Apostle's choice for Apostle.
      The NAC was plagued by schisms until 1955 due to the drastic changes in its doctrine and management.
      Another question is how could two churches, and later three (due to Soviet occupation in East Germany) develop independently from each other and develop the precise same theology. One of these churches was in Soviet controlled East Germany, and had no contact with the west.
      The claim that the OAC is less than 100 years old is false.
      The church was established in South Africa in 1889 with the arrival of Evangelist Klibbe in South Africa. The OAC itself give the date of 1894. The Memorandum of Association was registered in accordance to the Transvaal Companies Act in 1911. The Church that was established in 1911 in accordance with the Companies Act changed its name in 1927 to the Old Apostolic Church. It was not a new Church that was formed.
      Known South African theologian had contact and was influenced by Dutch Reformed ministers that had close contact with Irving, namely; the brother of Apostle Dow, who later returned to England and was ordained an Elder in the Catholic Apostolic Church and John Pears (the town Pearston in the Eastern Cape is named after him). Murray even wrote and promoted that the Kingdom of God has already returned.

    3. You can read more about “apostle” Sadrach in ‘Christian worship in Reformed Churches past and present’ by Lukas Vischer (pages 183-185) and in ‘Sadrach's community and its contextual roots : a nineteenth century Javanese expression of Christianity’ by Sutarman Soediman Partonadi.
      The OAC is a breakaway (schism) from the NAC and was registered as the OAC in 1927. A branch that falls off a tree loses its claim to the tree’s roots. You’re digressing off the topic of this post with straw man arguments.

  3. In 1872, Apostle Schwartz published a book "Het Boek Voor Onze Tijd", wherein he discussed the book of Revelation in allegorical terms. He later published another book "Het Hooglied van Salomo", where he also wrote about the Biblical book of Song of Solomon as allegorical. His publication of "100 Statements", also refer to the Bible as allegorical and not literal.
    In his book "Gathered Under Apostles", CG Flegg gives a description of how Jesus Christ as the Head of the Church make Himself known, or manifests through the Fourfold Office (Apostle; Prophet; Evangelist; and Shepard and Teacher).
    In "The Mosaic Tabernacle", Apostle Carlyle writes about Christ being within the Church as the High Priest. This book was the influence on Schwartz in his "Het Boek Voor Onze Tijd", who wrote that there is a comparison between the Biblical books of Daniel, Hebrews and Revelations. Schwartz like Carlyle referred to Christ as the High Priest in the Temple procession, where he uses the instruments (Officers) of the temple. Carlyle wrote his book before 1855.

    1. You can read about the 150 years of the NAC’s history here

    2. So, you are New Apostolic!

  4. The following is a quote from "The Mosaic Tabernacle" by Apostle Carlyle. It proofs the following:
    The Catholic Apostolic Church believed in spiritual (allegorical) interpretation of the Bible.
    Christ is within His Church.
    The Church is the Kingdom of God.

    When Moses was charged by God to build the
    Tabernacle, he was again and again commanded, “See
    thou make all things according to the pattern which
    was showed thee in the mount“ (Ex. xxv. 9; xxvi. 30;
    xxvii. 8). This pattern was nothing else than the
    Christian Church, in which, therefore, must be found
    the substance of all those things, the shadows of
    which Moses was to set in the Tabernacle (Acts vii.
    44; Heb.viii. 5). The Tabernacle is, therefore, in all its
    parts, a symbol of the spiritual House of God (1 Pet.
    ii. 5); the Church of the living God (1 Tim. iii. 15); yea,
    of the Body of Christ Himself (Eph. iv. 12-16), in
    which alone God can and will dwell.

    1. This may come as a surprise to you, but there are allegorical meanings in the Bible. I discussed this in more detail here:

    2. I also discussed the kingdom of God here:

  5. Hi. Is there any books available on the Old Apostles.

    1. Yes, it’s called the New Testament.

  6. I'm glad my church fascinates you so.

    We as Old Apostolic is really a peculiar nation.

    1. I’m glad you found my blog and I’m glad the truth has set me free from your church.

  7. I am an 'old apostolic' and i oftentimes wonder, sparked by their behaviour, who(or what)leads the 'officers'................

    1. I was there too my friend and the truth has set me free :-)

    2. What have you done if the " truth " has set you free to set other's "free" aswell,including those who have been working with you within the OAC Church who are still there to
      "Free" them from the OAC distorted truth and false prophecies?

    3. Begin by reading the Bible in context and compare the OAC doctrines and teachings with what's written in the Bible. Each of my posts points these out.

  8. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
    2 John 1:7 KJV

    1. Yip, there are antichrists who will not acknowledge the coming of Jesus Christ in bodily form. The present participle in Greek implies both the first (Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:20-23) and the second (Acts 1:9-11, 1 Thessalonians 1:5-10) advent of Christ.

    2. And according to the Facebook poll, two thirds of OAC members are antichrist. That's sad for a church, very sad. When I asked their head office for a formal response, they ducked and dived and avoided answering the question on whether they believed Jesus really existed. Any church with Christ as their Head would've said yes without hesitation or alternative explanations. Thanks for your blog, I'll send you the correspondence I received from an 'Overseer Arrow' at their head office...

  9. I have read, and done or still doing my research , i am a Believer in Jesus Christ, but does it matter what denomination we belong to?

    Is there 1 goal we working towards is the praising the gospel of Jesus and working towards the coming of the Lord.

    Does it matter in what way we proclaim his gospel as long we glorifying his name?

    I have nothing against Denominations i respect each 1 for the way they praise their God...

    Why is OAC a cult?

    i have been to many different denominations and for me i find that i wont think of them as a cult, coming from a service as a visitor i could leave with a teaching, i was at the pentecostal a funeral infact and i left with a teaching, i belong to the NAC and when i leave i leave with a teaching, so isn't that the reason we go to church we go for nourishment, even if you believe you keep service with yourself teaching yourself its also nourishment as long you Goal is set on Jesus Christ...

    In the end you find what you are comfortable with, not by judging and name calling of different denominations.

    There is only one 'holy Christian Church,' of which Christ is the Head, but it is now made up of many denominations ... But faith in Christ is the first criterion of membership in the holy Christian Church, and we feel that such believers can be found in all Christian denominations."

    1. My advice to you is to continue with your research and continue reading your Bible. Compare any “teaching” with what’s written in your Bible and remember, context is important, you can’t hang your entire wardrobe on a single hanger while also using that single hanger to build your entire wardrobe and the entire house…
      You’re right though, God will test your heart, not your label. Spiritual gifts are not literal titles. You mentioned two very important points, firstly being a Believer in Jesus Christ, that’s very important. Because you spoke about the coming of the Lord you clearly believe in the historical and Biblical Jesus Christ. There is no other Messiah; Jesus Christ is our only Lord and Savior.
      I’ve written more than enough posts on this blog for you to compare the OAC doctrines with what’s written in your Bible. I encourage you to be objective and compare any “teaching” you receive from whichever denomination you attend with what’s written in the Bible. Because we’re human with human failings, it’s all the more important to refer back to Scripture; we can very easily feel comfortable with false teachings and lose focus (Proverbs 14:12, Proverbs 16:25). Watch out for little bo-peep sermons that shift the focus from Jesus to man:

      If the shoe fits, wear it.

  10. First of all. Thanks for your post. May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you with more wisdom and passion. I am a younger minister of the word, I have done Diploma in Theology SA, I am a mozambican. I have been so much interested in reaching out two kind of people: OAC & Zionist believers. Because I believe the most important to all human being is Salvation through Jesus Christ. At least your post served as a starter for me because now The OAC beliefs. If you can help me achieve this goal to Loard, please send me whatever in relevant to the following email: