Sunday, 15 April 2018

Doctrine - Media vs a medium


Antisocial policy

The OAC has a “policy that does not allow the Church or its Officers to participate formally on social media”.

Formal response from OAC Head Office

This is a very odd policy and appears to be a way of distancing themselves from what OAC members are actually saying on social media. It’s a deceptive way of dodging criticism and responsibility for what OAC members are being taught in secret and preaching to the world.

Luke 12:1-3 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed;
neither hid, that shall not be known.
Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light;
and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

Some OAC social media groups have a disclaimer that endorses this policy, even though they are closed to the general public and have OAC officers as administrators.

Closed group with a disclaimer

A disclaimer on an apple won’t hide the fact that it came from an apple tree.

Closed group that had an "underdeacon" as administrator (meanwhile promoted to "priest")

It can’t be very comforting for OAC members to know that their spiritual gifts might “often not be the Church’s view”. Especially if the group is administered by an “underdeacon” and the “underdeacon” is considered to be the door to the house.

The same could then apply when OAC members go out on testimony telling the world about their version of Jesus. It could even be the same when it comes to the ordaining of officers based on prophetic gifts.

I was taught as an active OAC member that the gift never changes, the “officer” gift is exactly the same irrespective of the person or vessel that receives this gift. The only difference between the various officers is the heaven that they’re in. Apparently the “underdeacon” is the perfect “brother”, the “priest” is the perfect “underdeacon”, the “elder” is the perfect “priest”, the “fourfold office” is the perfect “elder” and the “apostle” is the perfect “fourfold office”. This gift is apparently eternal and never changes and the “apostleseals you with this gift. If that were so, OAC officers would all speak the same language and never argue or differ in opinion. The same would apply to every single OAC member, everyone would instinctively say the same thing without being corrected or told. Apparently OAC members are also blessed with the spirit of discernment which is also the same gift. If all of this was true, they wouldn’t contradict the Bible and there would be no reason for a policy or disclaimer.

A common characteristic of these OAC social media groups is that as soon as someone differs with the administrators or certain aspects of the OAC doctrine, they get belittled and/or blocked. As soon as someone starts asking questions or quoting verses from the Bible they are immediately accused of being a scribe and a non-apostolic with no understanding.

A former OAC member responded as follows when asked if he was an OAC member: “...I was for 24 years, but I saw and experienced many things that made me turn away from them
1) No real preaching against sins
2) No chasing after God's real holiness
3) No attention to the prophesies which are and will take place physically on earth
4) No real joy and worship
5) Have their own language that uplifts things like church activities and praising people that are priests, elders, overseers etc - but almost no uplifting and praising of God
6) The OAC has become a organisation where the organisation has become higher than God
7) Barely saw how people's life changed in the church - they go to church activities, but live and talk the same way as the world when they are away from the church activities - and the list goes on and on...”

Needless to say, this former OAC member has since been blocked like countless others on OAC social media groups. Well done to those who have tried sharing the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ on these OAC social media groups.

2 Timothy 4:2-4 Preach the word;
be instant in season, out of season;
reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;
but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

According to Strong’s, the word “fables” is translated from the Greek word muthos and is defined as:
a tale, that is, fiction (“myth”): - fable.

Fable in this context is a deliberately false or improbable account; fabrication; fiction. To feign; to invent; to devise, and speak of, as true or real; to tell of falsely.

So-called “bread breaking” and “spiritual interpretation” is a breeding ground for very imaginative fables, because according to OAC members, nobody is wrong, it’s just your level of understanding. This implies that even liars are always right; it’s just their level of understanding.

Biblical principles remain unchanged irrespective of the platform you are using.
The message of the gospel of Jesus Christ remains unchanged irrespective of the platform you are using.
What you think will reflect in what you do or say irrespective of the platform you are using.
Paul writes that whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31).

The OAC don’t only have a policy regarding social media, they also don’t participate formally on mass media communication such as print media and the press, or broadcasting such as radio and television. The OAC even forbid their members from making any type of recording at their “apostle” services. The only exception is when there is a choir festival and the recording is strictly controlled by the “overseer”, in which case the recording will omit the prayers. Very strict terms and conditions are placed by the “apostle” on such recordings.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is not supposed to be a big secret. Jesus said that a city that is set on an hill cannot be hid, a lit candle is not put under a bushel, but on a candlestick (Matthew 5:13-16). Jesus told His apostles that there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed. What they hear in the ear, that should they preach on the housetops (Matthew 10:26-27). Jesus wasn’t afraid to preach publicly out in the open (Matthew 13:1-17, Matthew 13:34-35).

Jesus gave His disciples the Great Commission to teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost and teaching them to observe all things that Jesus commanded them (Matthew 28:16-20, Mark 16:15-16, Luke 24:47-48, Acts 1:8).

On the day of Pentecost some 2,000 years ago, Peter preached to multitudes of people from different parts of the world (Acts 2:1-40). On that same day 3,000 of those that heard him were baptised and added to the church (Acts 2:41). The 3,000 that were added were real people, not spirits or “departed” souls during a sealing service (Acts 2:5-22, Acts 2:29, Acts 2:36-41). The Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved (Acts 2:42-47).

1 Timothy 2:1-8 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority;
that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

The true apostles were not afraid to speak and preach publicly (Acts 4:1-22, Acts 5:17-42).
Stephen is the first martyr recorded in the Bible for preaching publicly about Jesus Christ (Acts 6:8-15, Acts 7:1-60).
Philip preached Christ in the city of Samaria (Acts 8:4-8).
Paul wasn’t afraid of preaching Jesus Christ publicly (Acts 16:11-40, Acts 17:16-34, Acts 20:20-21, Acts 21:37-40, Acts 22:1-30, Acts 23:1-11).
Apollos publicly convinced the Jews that Jesus was Christ (Acts 18:24-28).
Paul caused a riot in Ephesus for preaching Jesus Christ amongst the craftsmen that made silver shrines for their goddess Diana (Acts 19:21-41).
Paul almost convinced king Agrippa to become a Christian (Acts 26:1-32).

Christianity has continued to grow worldwide ever since that time, building on the foundation already laid by the true apostles and true prophets, with Jesus Christ as their Head.

By contrast, almost 50% of OAC members worldwide reside in South Africa, a country that has less than 1% of the world’s total population. If the total number of OAC members worldwide resided in South Africa, they wouldn’t even be 0.1% of South Africa’s total population. This is for a church that claims to be the only original church even though the OAC didn’t exist before 1927. OAC members also don’t regard themselves as Christians but rather as proud “Apostolics” (Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28-29, 1 Peter 4:16-19). Christians who read the Bible in context are regarded by OAC members as natural minded brute beasts from the world (Matthew 5:11, Matthew 7:15-20, Luke 6:20-23, Luke 6:43-45, 1 Peter 3:16-17, 2 Peter 2:1-22, Jude 1:8-16).

2 Corinthians 4:1-6 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully;
but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord;
and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Good news is for sharing because sharing is caring.

John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Do you believe in Jesus and that He is the only Messiah?


9 comments:

  1. To any OAC officer.
    If a OAC member is in "heaven" and have the kingdom, see themself as "Jesus", why do they still work for salvation?

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  2. The Bible is in Black and White .
    It's a map to be followed,with understanding,Not with facts.

    Provebs 3; Verse 5
    Never rely on your own understanding
    But rely trully to God's Holy Spirit.

    A lot will read it
    But few will understand it's true nature.

    Ephesians 4 v 11
    The 5 Gifts.

    Lastly
    Those who seek things of the flesh seek death.
    But those who seek things of the spirit seek life.

    John 3 v 6
    Flesh is flesh
    Spirit is spirit

    1st Corinth 15
    The seen shall be planted
    The unseen shall be rised.

    For we were born in sin as living
    Souls.


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    1. The Bible is way more than “Black and White”.
      All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). The Bible is also a factual account of real events, places, people, and dialogue.

      Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
      Many will read it and understand it exactly the way it was meant to be understood, there’s no hidden meaning to this verse.
      You can read more here:
      http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2016/08/doctrine-too-vast.html

      Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
      These are not “The 5 Gifts“, did you not notice that apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers are written in plural? These vocations were given for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ. Compare Ephesians 4:11 with Romans 12:3-8, 1 Corinthians 12:1-31 and 1 Peter 4:1-11.
      You can read more here:
      http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2016/08/doctrine-apostles-today.html

      John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
      You can read this verse in context with the rest of the chapter and compare this verse with Romans 7, Romans 8 and Galatians 5:16-26.
      You can read more here:
      http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2016/08/doctrine-spiritual-vs-natural.html

      1 Corinthians 15:1-11 The Resurrection of Christ
      1 Corinthians 15:12-34 The Resurrection of the dead
      1 Corinthians 15:35-49 The Resurrection Body
      1 Corinthians 15:50-58 Mystery and Victory
      You can read more here:
      http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2016/08/the-real-jesus.html

      Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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  3. I have noticed a significant increase in paranoia on OAC social media groups. This is what I have noticed so far:
    Some groups have shut down or allowed admins from other denominations to take them over
    Admins have changed their names and profile information or have completely left the group
    Some groups have removed the name “Old Apostolic Church” or “OAC” from the group description
    Posts have been shut down or deleted
    Comments have been severely limited by being shut off or deleted
    New members joining a group are severely grilled and screened, they must supply their name and which community they’re from as well as the names of their “Apostle, Overseer, Elder, Priest and Underdeacon” before being allowed to join a group

    The above are all hallmarks of a cult and secret organization. True Christian groups on the other hand welcome people with love and open arms without interrogation, they have nothing to hide and openly share the Gospel and love of Christ with everyone.

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  4. Priest Gosenyegang is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom Church Service. Please Don't Share Meeting Id & Pass Word With anyone who is not OAC Member.

    Topic: Church Service, Please be on time Beloved, Log in 09h55

    NB: Please Mute your Audio Beloved.
    https://us04web.zoom.us/j/5184320866?pwd=RDZFSWtmeDlxQkFZTm9ZOVdZam94UT09

    Meeting ID: 518 432 0866
    Password: Zoom

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  5. Ons in die Weskaap kan gerus daaraan dink om gbruik te maak van radio dienste ens ...sommige provinsies maak alreeds gebruik van die medium..daar word gebruik gemaak van n geslote frequency ..Zoom is nou huidiglik baie populēr..maar almal kan dit nie bekostig om deel te neem in so n diens nie

    Vrystaat provinsie ..behalwe zoom maak hulle ook gebruik van internet radio stasie..is dit nou nie oulik van hulle nie

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    1. Geliefde Oudstes. Hier is die Zoom link en pass code vir Apostel se diens by ons Sondagoggend, 26 Julie 2020 wat 10:00 begin. Deel dit asb met die ampte en lede.
      Join Zoom Meeting
      https://oldapostolic.zoom.us/j/5299692991?pwd=TGpEYkV5N2NKT0ozQVBXTGw1L1h5UT09

      Meeting ID: 529 969 2991
      Passcode: 723312

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    2. Link for Sunday afternoon’s play - The Errona Virus.
      The link will open at 16:45.

      Play - The Errona Virus.
      Overseer Roos is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

      Join Zoom Meeting
      https://oldapostolic.zoom.us/j/95289140534?pwd=QllVbnlHYWk0SWNpelBSdFFKa3VkUT09

      Meeting ID: 952 8914 0534
      Passcode: 676904

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    3. Goeie middag geliefde Ampsbroers
      Die ID nommer vir môre oggend se zoom diens om 10h00 is 769 2379 3333 en die password is 4H1k1c.

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