This is an OAC guide
explaining how to “Testify”. This is an activity usually reserved
for Monday and Thursday evenings. Whereas true Christian communities reach out
to non-Christian communities by evangelising the world and donating
Bibles, the OAC’s target audience is Christian. As you read through this document
you’ll also notice that there’s a lot of repetition which is a form of
brainwashing.
“A lie told often enough becomes the truth”
My comments are in blue
font. – Ex-OAC
TESTIMONY
It is not
always easy to go into a strangers house and begin to speak to them about God
and Godliness. Here are some ideas that
might be of assistance.
1.
Always remember that testimony does not start
on testimony evenings. It is something
that is happening all the time because people watch what you are doing.
2. Make sure you are dressed
appropriately when going on testimony.
If you arrive at a person’s house with your suit and tie on, they know
you are not there to talk about worldly things.
3. Be vigilant. Look at the person’s house, his lounge. See if there is anything that you can start
talking about. Some have hobbies or a
love of music. They might display
this. Some have cd’s or movies in the
lounge, some have pictures/photo’s of that which they love.
4.
Ask
the person under testimony how they see God.
Remember that they do not give wrong/incorrect answers. Their understanding is just different from
yours. Your task is to convince them
that the way you see things is the correct way.
One does this by asking them for their opinion and then giving them your
opinion. They must decide who is right
or wrong.
Ex-OAC: Point 1. A true test of character is what
people will get up to when they think nobody is watching. Being
“good” just because people might be watching is hypocritical and false.
Point 2. A monkey in
silk is a monkey no less. Being dressed in a suit and tie could also mean
you’re selling anything from multi-level marketing to a vacuum cleaner. If you
were carrying a well read Bible however, people would know that you’re not
there to discuss “worldly things” irrespective of how you were dressed.
Carrying a Bible though is not what OAC members are
apt to do.
Point 3. This
contradicts the previous point. If the people know you’re not there to talk
about “worldly things”, why would you look at the person’s house or lounge to
see if there is anything to start talking about? Are you there to discuss tubes
and tyres or to share the gospel of how Jesus Christ came to
save us through His own blood?
Point 4. “...they do not
give wrong/incorrect answers...” followed by:
“...convince
them that the way you see things is the correct way...” is a contradiction.
Testifying is therefore more likely to become “testi-fighting”.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by
inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Interestingly, you’ll
never see OAC members
carrying Bibles with them on “testimony” or to church. For this reason they
will more than likely quote single verses out of context. This is evident
throughout this document.
STEP ONE: Differentiate between Spirit and Flesh
The Brother
of Sister under testimony must understand the difference between the Spirit and
the Flesh. They therefore need to
understand WHO, WHAT and WHERE God can be found. If they believe in a God of imagination, it
is difficult to teach them about this doctrine.
WHO: God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy
Ghost.
WHAT: word, light, love, peace, way, truth, life
etc. God is the word, God is Love and
God is Truth. None of these things can
be seen, touched, tasted or felt. They
are all spiritual things. One can only
see the result of these things once they are put into action. E.g. One can see the deeds that is done after
the word is heard, Feel and experience the Love of some-one. They need to understand that God is not
natural but spiritual.
WHERE: Within us [ The gift of God [Spirit of God]
in us
Through us: The gift of the prophet over us,
Over us: The one that is there to
lead and guide us.
God is Spirit
and wants to be served in Spirit and Truth.
Ex-OAC: Imagination has got nothing to do with it; it requires more imagination to
understand the Bible in a different way to how it’s written.
According to the Bible
it is the flesh (carnal) which is the opposite of the Spirit (Romans 8:5-7, Galatians
5:16).
Walking in the flesh refers
to:
adultery, fornication,
uncleanness, covetousness, filthiness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft,
hatred, variance, emulations, greediness, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings and such like (Matthew 15:18-20, Mark
7:20-23, Romans
1:25-32, 1
Corinthians 5:9-11, 1
Corinthians 6:9-10, 1
Corinthians 6:15-20, Galatians
5:19-21, Ephesians
4:17-31, Ephesians
5:3-7, Colossians
3:5-9, 1
Thessalonians 4:3-8, Hebrews
13:4-5, 2 Peter
2:4-10, Revelation
21:8, Revelation
22:15). These fleshly lusts are also invisible until the deed is
done. It is these fleshly lusts which war against the soul (1 Peter 2:11).
Redemption is only
available by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:4-9). Only Jesus is able to
give power to men to become the sons of God when they receive Him and believe
on his name (John 1:12-14). He
restores the original image when we put off our old corrupt ways and become
renewed in the spirit of our minds (Ephesians
4:17-24). Only through Christ are we made
new (2 Corinthians 5:14-21). God wants
us to be more like Him so that we can be called the sons of God (1 John 3:1-3). As many as are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God (Romans 8:14).
Because God is a
Spirit, He is not geographically confined, He can be worshipped wherever the
true worshippers may find themselves geographically (Psalms 139:7-12, John
4:20-24). This doesn’t mean He wants to be worshipped in allegories,
metaphors, mysteries and lies.
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created
the heaven and
the earth
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What is In the beginning:
In the beginning: That is the creation of the spiritual man in me.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but this is shifting the focus from God to
self-centred man. The beginning refers to the beginning of the whole of
creation before anyone was even conceived. God is the Creator of heaven and earth and all
things seen and unseen (Genesis
1:1-31, Exodus 20:11, Nehemia 9:6, Psalms 8:3-9, Psalms 33:6-9, Psalms
146:5-6, Psalms 148:1-5, Proverbs 16:4, Isaiah
42:5, Isaiah 45:18, John 1:1-3, Acts 4:24, Acts 14:15-16, Acts
17:24-29, 1 Corinthians
8:6, Ephesians
3:9, Colossians
1:16-17, Hebrews 3:4, Hebrews 11:3, 2 Peter 3:3-7, Revelation 4:11, Revelation
10:6, Revelation
14:7). The heaven and earth existed
long before we were even born. Heaven and earth didn’t wait
for us to get born first.
Romans 1:20-23 For the invisible things of him from
the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that
are made, even his eternal power and Godhead;
so that they are
without excuse:
Because that, when they
knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful;
but became vain in
their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves
to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible
God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and
fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
What is heaven:
Matthew 18:10 Take
heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in
heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Is a condition of rest unto the soul,
blessedness and peace that we will taste if we submit ourselves in the house
of the Father
and become small
as
little
children.
Such a child is an angel in heaven and beholds the face of the father which is
in heaven every day. It is a state of mind it is the place where we
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but notice that Matthew 18:10 is talking about the angels of
the little ones and not the little ones as angels.
There’s also no mention of what Heaven is and also no mention of a state of
mind. Jesus’ disciples didn’t see Him ascend into a state of mind (Acts 1:9-11). John didn’t see a new Jerusalem coming down from a state of
mind (Revelation
21:2).
Where is heaven:
Philippians 3:20 For our
conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for
the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.
From this we
understand that heaven is the place where we break
bread. As such heaven must then be where ever the community
(which we understand to be the members that make up the body of Christ) is gathered together in God’s name.
Ex-OAC: According to Strong’s, the word “conversation” is translated
from the Greek word politeuma and is
defined as:
a community, that is, (abstractly) citizenship (figuratively): - conversation.
When read in context it
is clear that heaven isn’t a
place where we “break
bread”, but that those who look to heaven for the
Lord Jesus Christ have a
heavenly citizenship. Citizenship doesn’t mean you presently reside there,
citizenship means it’s your home and where you actually belong at the end of
the day. Being a South African citizen in China doesn’t mean you’re not
physically in China. Citizenship can also change, you may be born in South
Africa but at some stage you can become an Australian citizen when Australia
becomes your home. Likewise, even though we’re physically present in the world,
through Christ (John 8:23-24, John 18:36) we get a
heavenly calling (Hebrews 3:1) and a
heavenly citizenship so that we become strangers and pilgrims on earth (Hebrews 11:13-16, 1
Peter 2:9-12).
Luke 12:32 Do not be afraid, little flock, for your
Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.
Heaven is
found within those
to whom the kingdom is given. Starting with the Apostles
chosen by God to receive the kingdom of heaven and to whom the key to the
Kingdom of Heaven was given.
Ex-OAC: Jesus was talking to his disciples of which He had many, not just the
twelve apostles (Luke 12:1, Luke 12:22). Jesus was telling them to have no fear or be anxious (Luke 12:4-7, Luke 12:22-34), one’s life doesn’t consist
of worldly riches (Luke 12:13-21).
If Heaven is within those to whom the kingdom is
given, then by implication the “departed”
would enter “apostolics” at a “sealing service”.
That sounds more like possession than Heaven to me, Jesus drove spirits out of people instead of welcoming them into
people (Matthew
4:24, Matthew 8:16, Mark 1:32-34, Mark 5:9-13, Luke 8:30-33).
Only Jesus has the key of David. There’s another key mentioned in the
Bible, the key to the bottomless pit which is held by the star from heaven which had fallen to the earth (2 Corinthians 11:13-15, Revelation 9:1-11). Be wary of anyone on earth who claims to have any kind of key and authority to open up “doors” for the dead.
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John 17:9 I pray for
them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they
are thine.
….and including
all those who believe in Christ through the
words of the apostles.
Ex-OAC: Jesus prayed for eternal life to be given to as many as God had given
him (John
17:2), the men given to Him out of the world (John 17:6) and also for them which shall believe on Him (John 17:20). Nowhere does Jesus say “through the words of the apostles”.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one
that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he
that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven
Heaven is
that place that we go to when we are involved in the activities of the church
and when we are living our lives in the way of God.
Ex-OAC: After Jesus ascended to heaven, the Holy Spirit was poured out from heaven and filled Jesus’ disciples here on earth (Acts 1-2). It is the Comforter, the
Spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit sent by the Father that abides with us,
teaches us and reminds us of Jesus’ words (John 14:16-26, John 15:26, John 16:5-7, Acts 1:2, Acts 2:1-4, 1 John 5:7-8). When we are filled with the
Holy Spirit, we have the invisible kingdom
within us because we will seek God’s will above our own fleshly lusts (Matthew 6:33, Luke 17:20-2).The kingdom of
God is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost (Romans 14:17).
What is earth:
Earth = man . The following texts in
bible support this
Isaiah 66:7-8 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a
man child. Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the
earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for
as soon as Zion travailed, she
brought forth her children.
The earth is man as it is described as
having ears and
had legs. I have never seen the ground having ears. This is a human
personification. Therefore the earth must be man.
Firstly, you will not find the words ears or legs in that whole chapter.
Secondly, it’s not only a man that has
ears and legs; insects, animals, wheat, cups, tables and chairs also have ears
and/or legs.
When people speak of Mother Nature, do we
expect to see ears and legs everywhere in nature? When people speak of the
mother of all disasters, do we expect to see ears and legs in the disaster?
Zion is the symbol of ancient Jerusalem or
the Jewish religion. Jerusalem is being portrayed as a pregnant woman, not a
man (she instead of he). The prophet Isaiah starts off with
a series of rhetorical questions to prove that only God can let this type of
birth take place. Please read the entire chapter to understand this in the
correct context. Similarly Table Mountain is the symbol of Cape Town and Cape
Town is referred to as the mother city of South Africa. Isaiah isn’t referring
to the planet earth and neither is this proof that every instance where earth is mentioned in the Bible that a “man” is implied.
Revelation 12 verse 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon
had spewed out of his mouth.
Again, earth opens it mouth
and swallows.
This again is a personification.
Ex-OAC: The earth helped the woman by opening her mouth. Earthquakes and
sinkholes are a physical reality, read Numbers 16 and see how the earth opened her mouth and swallowed the people that gathered against
Moses. Those people weren’t swallowed by a personification, a man or a mind.
Matthew 13 v 3 – 9 – The sower.
Luke 8 v 5- 15 – The sower.
Ex-OAC: This is confusing good ground with the earth as a planet. If the parable was about earth as a planet, then the other seed would’ve fallen on mars,
jupiter, venus, saturn and any of the other planets in our solar system. But,
the seed that fell on good ground are those that heard the word with honesty
and goodness. The other seed fell by the way side, on the rock and among
thorns. Remember, these are parables or illustrations spoken by Jesus to explain moral and spiritual
truths. Take note, the field is the world, not the earth. The world refers to all of the living human inhabitants of the
planet earth. See also how the parable in Matthew differs from the one in Luke. In Luke 8:11 the seed is the word of God.
In Matthew
13:38 the good seed are the children of the kingdom. In Luke 8:15 the good ground are they which heard the word in an honest and
good heart.
Psalm 50:1 The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth
from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
Again, the Lord calls the earth. For
the earth to hear it requires human properties like ears, etc.
NOTE: here we could replace the word Earth
with Man
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but no, we cannot replace the word earth with man. Did it repent the Lord that He had made man on the man (Genesis 6:6)? The whole of creation was spoken into existence by the
Creator and the creation didn’t need ears to be created. Creation doesn’t need
ears to be obedient when the LORD has spoken.
Ears aren’t needed to receive a calling,
millions of deaf people all around the world can attest to that. Your bodily
functions don’t need ears to hear the call of nature. Works of art don’t have
ears when artists create them.
Psalm 24:1 The earth is the
LORD's, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
Again we can easily replace the word earth
with man.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but seriously? Try telling the Space Agency
that we dwell in a man (unless you’re a germ or a tapeworm)...
Isaiah 11:9 They shall not
hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Again, the earth is full of Knowledge
is a personification. The earth must be man.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative but there are instances where the Bible uses
the word earth in a particular context
to refer to all the nations of the earth (Genesis 11:1, Psalms 67:1-2, Psalms 72:19, Psalms 98:1-3, Isaiah 6:3, Isaiah 11:9, Habakkuk 2:14, Zechariah 14:8-9). The words and verses
need to be read and understood in the context in which they were written. In
other instances the Bible uses the words water
or flood to refer to people and
nations (Psalms
18:16, Psalms 124:2-5, Isaiah 59:19, Jeremiah 47:2, Revelation 17:15).
Ezekial 43:2 And, behold, the
glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was
like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined
with his glory.
The earth shines with his glory –
again a personification.
Ex-OAC: Start reading at Ezekiel 40:1 then you will see that this
was all part of a vision that Ezekiel saw in the twenty fifth year of their
captivity. The LORD back then (Ezekiel 11:23) had left the city in an
easterly direction and He will enter again from the east. Also read Revelations 21:10-11 to understand the context of His glory.
Habakkuk 2:14 For the earth
shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the
LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Again a personification of the earth
having knowledge. Man has knowledge, can easily replace word earth with man.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative but no, we can’t easily replace the word earth with man. This verse actually goes a lot further than a singular
self-centred man. In this context it means that all the nations of the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD.
Habakkuk 2:20 But the LORD is
in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.
Here the earth must keep silence. Only
a man can truly keep silence.
Ex-OAC: Men, women, children and nations can also keep silence. The
verse is not referring to a man; silence isn’t only a man’s domain. This is a prophecy
about the destruction of Judea and Jerusalem for the sins of the people. The
silence is a sign of respect by the meek of the earth, and their obedience and submission to His judgments (Job 40:3-5, Psalms 46:10, Psalms 76:8-9, Zechariah 2:13).
Deuteronomy 4:26 I call heaven and earth to
witness against you this day….
To hold witness is a human
characteristic.
Ex-OAC: The heavens and the earth are called to witness against disobedient people when they are
being addressed; reading the full chapter will make the context clearer. Please
also read Deuteronomy
31:28 and Psalm 50:4 to understand the correct
context.
Forensics uses various scientific tests or
techniques to gather evidence from mute witnesses such as trace evidence. Trace
evidence can therefore also witness against criminals in a court of law. The
blood in the ground was also a witness against Cain when he slew Abel (Genesis 4:10).
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit
of God moved upon the face of the waters.
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What is without form and void:
Without form = confused and unsure and does not know the glory of
God.
Void = empty. In Afrikaans “woes en leeg” (where woes =
‘full of the desires of the world’, and leeg = ‘empty of spirit’).
Ex-OAC: It’s worth noting that the Old Testament wasn’t originally
written in Afrikaans, but in Hebrew.
According to Strong’s, the word “without
form” is translated from the Hebrew word tôhû
and is defined as:
to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless
thing; adverbially in vain: -
confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity,
waste, wilderness.
According to Strong’s, the word “void” is
translated from the Hebrew word bôhû
and is defined as:
(meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void.
From the text and the
definitions in Hebrew, it’s clear that there are no references to the earth not knowing
the glory of God or being full of the desires of the world. How can the earth be full of
the desires of the world if the earth wasn’t even
wicked with evil imaginations (Genesis
6:1-7)?
1 Corinthians 15:43-47 It is
sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised
in power: It is sown
a natural
body;
it is raised
a spiritual
body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written,
The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening
spirit. Howbeit that
was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward
that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is
the Lord from heaven.
It is clear that this is the creation
of a spiritual body not a natural one.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but when the text is read carefully, we see
that’s not what it says. The preceding verses also need to be read to
understand the context:
1
Corinthians 15:35-42 But some man will say, How
are the dead raised up?
and with what body do they come?
Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not
quickened, except it die:
And that which thou sowest, thou sowest
not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some
other grain:
But God giveth it a body as it hath
pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
All flesh is not the same flesh:
but there is one kind of flesh of men,
another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
There are also celestial bodies, and
bodies terrestrial:
but the glory of the celestial is one, and
the glory of the terrestrial is another.
There is one glory of the sun, and another
glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars:
for one star differeth from another star
in glory.
So also is the resurrection of the dead.
It is sown in corruption;
it is raised in incorruption:
We are sown in corrupt natural bodies of
flesh but at the resurrection our bodies will be new spiritual
bodies, not allegories or personifications (1 Corinthians 15:50-58). It
is clear that Adam was the first man formed from the dust of the ground and it
is clear that because we are his physical descendants, we will also return to
dust when we die (Genesis 3:19). Take note that man was only
formed on the sixth day (Genesis 1:27-31), an event that took
place after the earth had already been created (Genesis 1:1-2).
Genesis
2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
God shared His breath with man and man
became a living soul. Man wasn’t given a soul but became a living soul.
According to Strong’s, the word “breathed”
is translated from the Hebrew word nâphach
and is defined as:
to puff, in various applications (literally, to inflate, blow hard, scatter, kindle, expire;
figuratively, to disesteem): - blow,
breath, give up, cause to lose [life], seething, snuff.
According to Strong’s, the word “breath” is
translated from the Hebrew word neshâmâh
and is defined as:
a puff, that is, wind,
angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect or (concretely) an animal:
- blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.
This breath should not be misconstrued as
words spoken by some mere
mortal or OAC member with a god complex. In the beginning the Word already was which means the Word is eternal and existed before the beginning (John 1:1-3). Ten times in Genesis 1 we read “God said”. By the
word of the LORD were the heavens made (Psalms 33:6). John sums these all up as
the Word that created all things. The Word spoken by God cannot be compared to words spoken by man.
James
3:5-10 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great
things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! And the tongue is a
fire, a world of iniquity:
so is the tongue among our members, that
it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature;
and it is set on fire of hell. For every
kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is
tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
But the tongue can no man tame;
it is an unruly evil, full of deadly
poison.
Therewith bless we God, even the Father;
and therewith curse we men, which are made
after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and
cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish,
they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding:
they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
It is clear that there is a lack of
understanding of God means that we lack the knowledge and ability to do good.
We must understand the word to be able to do Good.
Ex-OAC: It’s good to see some honesty for a change. All the previous
statements show a clear lack of understanding. I think the following verses are
well worth remembering:
2
Timothy 3:15-17 And that from a child thou hast
known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation
through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration
of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works.
Jeremiah 4:22-23 For my people is foolish,
they have not
known
me;
they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but
to do good they have no knowledge. I beheld the earth, and,
lo, it was without
form,
and void;
and the heavens, and they had
no
light.
It is clear that there is a lack of
understanding of God means that we lack the knowledge and ability to do good.
We must understand the word to be able to do Good.
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of
the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his
nostrils
the breath of life; and man became
a living
soul.
God has to breathe the life of the
spirit into you. Only when there is understanding can we get the spiritual life
of a living soul forming within us.
Ex-OAC: This is like saying that when a child is born it has no soul
because it has no understanding. Living soul implies that you’re alive as
opposed to when you’re dead. Dead people no longer have the breath of life,
quite literally! Those of you breathing and whose hearts are beating were all
physically born as living souls because God gave us life; He alone is the giver
of life. Spiritually you become a new creature when you become born again and
there are enough verses in the New Testament to get this point across without
twisting the Genesis account out of context. The same living soul in Genesis 2:7 was driven out of paradise and returned to dust just as we are
destined to become dust when we die (Genesis 3:19).
Revelations 21:1 And I saw a new heaven
and a new earth:
for the first
heaven
and the first
earth
were
passed
away;
and there was no more sea.
It is clear that when we become
spiritual we will experience the second heaven and earth (a spiritual heaven
and a spiritual earth (=man)). The 1st
Heaven and 1st earth are my previous understandings re.
natural. The New Heaven and New Earth
are my new understanding regarding the spiritual work. .
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative. Now let’s read what it really says in the
Bible:
Revelation
21:1-8 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first
heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new
Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned
for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the
tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be
his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from
their eyes;
and there shall be no more death,
neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain:
for the former things are passed away. And
he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he
said unto me, Write:
for these words are true and faithful. And
he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I
will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
He that overcometh shall inherit all things;
and I will be his God, and he shall be my
son.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the
abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and
all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
brimstone:
which is the second death.
These words were written by John, one of
the twelve apostles and
he was already spiritually gifted enough to receive these Revelations from God.
He wasn’t “naturally”
minded before receiving these Revelations because he already was a servant of
God.
Revelation
1:1-3 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
and he sent and signified it by his angel unto
his servant John:
Who bare record of the word of God, and of
the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he
that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things
which are written therein:
for the time is at hand.
Despite OAC members claiming to
have seen a new allegorical heaven and earth, there is still death, sorrow, crying and pain in the OAC. There are still the fearful,
and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and
sorcerers, and idolaters, and liars going
to church in their midst. The new heaven and earth that OAC members claim to see
is very different to what John saw.
Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without
Christ,
being aliens
from
the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers
from
the
covenants
of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.
This time before the creation (when we
are void) is a time of no hope. Of great distance from God. Of confusion
without God.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but Ephesians 2:12 is not talking about
creation.
God had already created the heaven and the earth in the very first verse of the Bible (Genesis 1:1). The Bible doesn’t just consist of Genesis 1 and the New Testament.
Man was driven out of the garden of Eden
for being disobedient (Genesis 3:23-24).
Man committed murder (Genesis 4:8).
Man became so wicked that it grieved God
at His heart (Genesis
6:5-6).
After the flood, God scattered the people
and confounded their language (Genesis 11:1-9).
That’s just some parts from the first book
in the Bible and long before Ephesians was even written.
Now let’s read the quoted verse in
context:
Ephesians
2:11-13 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles
in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called
the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ,
being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants
of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes
were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
This was written for Gentile readers
(Uncircumcision = non-Jew) because before Jesus Christ they
were aliens from the commonwealth of Israel. Through the blood of Christ the
Gentiles are graffed into the good olive tree (Romans 11:11-24). This was also a
fulfilment of prophecy regarding the root of Jesse (Ruth 4:17-22, 1 Chronicles 29:26, Isaiah 11:1-10, Matthew 1:5-6, Luke 3:32, Acts 13:22-23, Romans 15:8-13).
Romans 8:5-8 For they that are after the
flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the
things of the Spirit. For to be carnally
minded
is
death;
but to be spiritually
minded
is
life
and
peace.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law
of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please
God.
To be void means that we have not yet
put on/clothed ourselves with Jesus Christ
So void means to be fleshly or
carnally minded i.e. to be busy with the things of the world and not the spirit.
It is clear that to be carnally minded
means to be dead
i.e. you have not been created. I will now be created from a natural to a
spiritual being
To be spiritually minded however is to
have life.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but Genesis 1:2 has got nothing to do with
flesh or Romans
8:5-8. Flesh is mentioned for the first time in Genesis 2:21 when it describes how a woman was made from one of Adam’s ribs.
To be carnally minded means walking in the
flesh such as adultery, fornication, uncleanness, covetousness, filthiness,
lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, greediness,
wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings
and such like (Matthew
15:18-20, Mark 7:20-23, Romans 1:25-32, 1 Corinthians 5:9-11, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Corinthians 6:15-20, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 4:17-31, Ephesians 5:3-7, Colossians 3:5-9, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8, Hebrews 13:4-5, 2 Peter 2:4-10, Revelation 21:8, Revelation 22:15). It is these fleshly lusts which war against the soul and leads
to death (Romans
8:13, 1 Peter 2:11).
Nowhere does the Bible say that because
people are carnally minded they are not created. Man was created to have his
own free will and it’s clear that the will of man isn’t always spiritual.
Likewise the earth was dead before there was any life on it (Genesis 1:2), yet God created the earth (Genesis 1:1).
Romans 13:14 But
put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ,
and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof.
Galatians 3:27 For
as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
To be void means that we have not yet
put on/clothed ourselves with Jesus Christ.
Summary Point: earth=man=is without
form=without form because he is full of desire of man=void of the understanding
of God and spiritual things
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative and later this document will state that “The earth is in our minds”. The Bible doesn’t say earth=man=is without form=without form because he is full of desire
of man=void of the understanding of God and spiritual things.
When we clothe ourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, we
don’t make provision for the flesh by fulfilling the lusts thereof. We put on Christ when
we have been baptized into Christ. We
need to put on a new self (Colossians 3:1-17) and live a new life
in Christ (Ephesians 4:17-32).
And the Spirit of God moved
upon the face of the waters.
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What is spirit?
Spirit = truth.
Ex-OAC: Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without
form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of
God moved upon the face of the waters.
According to Strong’s, the word “Spirit”
is translated from the Hebrew word rûach
and is defined as:
wind; by resemblance breath,
that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality;
by extension a region of the sky; by
resemblance spirit, but only of a
rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast,
breath
What is movement across the
waters?
The
face of the waters are the multitudes of people who the spirit is revealed to.
These people may be known to us or not. They may have heard the word before but
not understood. It is our job to make sure that when the water passes over them
that they are left with a clear understanding so that they can see the light
and become the second Adam.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but the waters were created (Genesis 1:1-5) before God made man (Genesis 1:26-31). The waters can therefore not be multitudes of people. People didn’t drown
in a multitude of people (Genesis 7:6-24).
1
Corinthians 3:6-9 I have planted, Apollos
watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any
thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that
planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own
reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye
are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
Apollos didn’t water with multitudes of people and Paul says only God can give the
increase. The last Adam was made a quickening spirit (1 Corinthians 15:45). Last Adam means there won’t be another, i.e. final
Adam. The final Adam also known as the second man is the Lord from heaven (1 Corinthians 15:47). This is none other
than the Lord Jesus Christ (John 3:10-15). Nobody else can become the final Adam, if that was so
then the Lord Jesus Christ
cannot be the last Adam (Matthew 24:23-26, Mark 13:21-22).
WHERE IS
GOD? God lives within you. If the kingdom of God is within us, then
surely the King must also live there.
God has already come for us. We
are saved. Why would we need someone to
descend from heaven if we are saved. We
say that God dwells in our heart. Which
heart is that if we then say that God is above sun moon and stars. If you can create this understanding then one
can go to the Creation, Genesis 1, because There is now light. The brother/sister under testimony can now
see that there are things that they did not know and need to think about.
Ex-OAC: This is typical
reasoning by members of the OAC; they like to boast
that they’re the only church not
waiting for Jesus’ return.
God reigns from His holy throne in heaven (Psalm 47:8, Isaiah 6:1, Isaiah 66:1, Hebrews 4:16) yet He is omnipresent
because He cannot be confined by time and space (Psalms 139:1-24).
Acts
7:48-50 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with
hands;
as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne,
and earth is my footstool:
what house will ye build me? saith the
Lord:
or what is the place of my rest? Hath not
my hand made all these things?
When we love Jesus and keep His words and commandments then He will manifest in us
spiritually through the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost (John 14:15-31, John 15:26-27). The kingdom of
God is righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost (Romans 14:17).
This does not mean that Jesus won’t return (John 14:1-3, Acts 1:6-11, 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, 2 Thessalonians 1:5-12, Revelation 1:4-8).
STEP 2: Differentiate between the Word of God and the
Word of Man
GENESIS 1 -
...And God separated the waters from the waters. There is a difference between the word of God
and the word of man. God’s word is:
1.
Overweighed. Think before you speak.
2. Uplifting. One must feel positive after hearing this
word.
3. Spoken. Word must be spoken in order for one to hear
it.
4. Creative: Must create a desire to do something.
5.
Thought
provoking: You must be able to take
something from what you have heard and apply it to your life.
The word of
man is the opposite. It does not build,
but breaks down, does not create, but destroys.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but the waters were created (Genesis 1:1-5) before God made man (Genesis 1:26-31). The waters under the
firmament can therefore not be the words of man. Ten times in Genesis 1 we read “God said”, and in Genesis 2:19-20 Adam called and gave
names to living creatures. The first time we read “man
said” is only in Genesis 3:12.
The five criteria in the list are as
misleading as the rest of this document. The same criteria can also be applied
in the secular world, the sports world or any man-made organization or
religion. We should be like the Bereans who received the word with all
readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were
so (Acts
17:10-12). The Bible may hurt you with the truth, but it will never
comfort you with a lie because a lie hurts forever.
2 Timothy
3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all
good works.
Heaven and
earth
1 Heaven
1.1 What is Heaven ?
Matthew 18:10 Take
heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in
heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Is a condition
of rest unto the soul, blessedness and peace that we will taste if we submit ourselves in the house
of the Father
and become small
as
little
children.
Such a child is an angel in heaven and beholds the face of the father which is
in heaven every day
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but notice that Matthew 18:10 is talking about the angels of
the little ones and not the little ones as angels.
There’s also no mention of what Heaven is.
1.2 Where is Heaven ?
Philippians 3:20 For our
conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for
the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.
From this we
understand that heaven is the place where we break
bread. As such heaven must then be where ever the community
(which we understand to be the members that make up the body of Christ) is gathered together in God’s name.
Ex-OAC: According to Strong’s, the word “conversation” is translated
from the Greek word politeuma and is
defined as:
a community, that is, (abstractly) citizenship (figuratively): - conversation.
When read in context it
is clear that heaven isn’t a
place where we “break
bread”, but that those who look to heaven for the
Lord Jesus Christ have a
heavenly citizenship. Citizenship doesn’t mean you presently reside there,
citizenship means it’s your home and where you actually belong at the end of
the day. Being a South African citizen in China doesn’t mean you’re not
physically in China. Citizenship can also change, you may be born in South
Africa but at some stage you can become an Australian citizen when Australia
becomes your home. Likewise, even though we’re physically present in the world,
through Christ (John 8:23-24, John 18:36) we get a
heavenly calling (Hebrews 3:1) and a
heavenly citizenship so that we become strangers and pilgrims on earth (Hebrews 11:13-16, 1
Peter 2:9-12).
Luke 12:32 Do not be afraid, little flock, for your
Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.
Heaven is
found within those
to whom the kingdom is given. Starting with the Apostles
chosen by God to receive the kingdom of heaven…..
Ex-OAC: Jesus was talking to his disciples of which He had many, not just the
twelve apostles (Luke 12:1, Luke 12:22). Jesus was telling them to have no fear or be anxious (Luke 12:4-7, Luke 12:22-34), one’s life doesn’t consist
of worldly riches (Luke 12:13-21).
If Heaven is within those to whom the kingdom is
given, then by implication the “departed”
would enter “apostolics” at a “sealing service”.
That sounds more like possession than Heaven to me, Jesus drove spirits out of people instead of welcoming them into
people (Matthew
4:24, Matthew 8:16, Mark 1:32-34, Mark 5:9-13, Luke 8:30-33).
Only Jesus has the key of David. There’s another key mentioned in the
Bible, the key to the bottomless pit which is held by the star from heaven which had fallen to the earth (2 Corinthians 11:13-15, Revelation 9:1-11). Be wary of anyone on earth who claims to have any kind of key and authority to open up “doors” for the dead.
John 17:9 I pray for
them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they
are thine. .and
including all those who believe in Christ
through the words of the apostles.
Ex-OAC: Jesus prayed for eternal life to be given to as many as God had given
him (John
17:2), the men given to Him out of the world (John 17:6) and also for them which shall believe on Him (John 17:20). Nowhere does Jesus say “through the words of the apostles”.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one
that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he
that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven
Heaven is
that place that we go to when we are involved in the activities of the church
and when we are living our lives in the way of God.
Ex-OAC: After Jesus ascended to heaven, the Holy Spirit was poured out from heaven and filled Jesus’ disciples here on earth (Acts 1-2). It is the Comforter, the
Spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit sent by the Father that abides with us,
teaches us and reminds us of Jesus’ words (John 14:16-26, John 15:26, John 16:5-7, Acts 1:2, Acts 2:1-4, 1 John 5:7-8). When we are filled with the
Holy Spirit, we have the invisible kingdom
within us because we will seek God’s will above our own fleshly lusts (Matthew 6:33, Luke 17:20-2).The kingdom of
God is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost (Romans 14:17).
Earth
1.3 What is Earth ?
The earth is
in our minds. It is the place where the seed is planted. It is my heart of
understanding.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative and this contradicts previous statements that
“Earth = man” and “earth=man=is without form=without form because he is full of
desire of man=void of the understanding of God and spiritual things”.
We do read that the earth hangs on nothing (Job 26:7) and that the earth is round like a circle (Isaiah 40:22).
Proverbs
17:24 Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a
fool are in the ends of the earth.
1.4 Where is Earth ?
Proverbs 9:10 ….knowledge
of the holy is understanding.
It is the
place where I can grow my knowledge of the spiritual things.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative but nowhere in Proverbs 9 do we read of earth as a place to grow your knowledge. Obviously because we all
live on the planet earth, it would be the place where we grow up, learn and eventually
die. But that is not what this verse is trying to say.
Proverbs
9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the
knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Proverbs 15:32 ….he
that heareth reproof getteth understanding
If I hear the
word I will understand it better wand the seed in my heart of understanding
(earth) will grow
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative but nowhere in Proverbs 15 do we read of earth as the heart of understanding. When we die we will certainly
return to dust and become part of the earth.
Proverbs
15:32-33 He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but
he that heareth reproof getteth understanding. The fear of the LORD is the
instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.
Genesis 6:5
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Ex-OAC: Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that
he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Genesis 6:17 And,
behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy
all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing
that is in the earth shall die.
Ex-OAC: Genesis 6:18 But with thee [Noah]
will I establish my covenant;
and thou shalt come into the ark, thou,
and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
Genesis 22:18 And
in thy seed shall all the
nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my
voice.
Ex-OAC: Genesis 22:17-19 That in blessing
I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of
the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore;
and thy seed shall possess the gate of his
enemies;
And in thy seed shall all the nations
of the earth be blessed;
because thou hast obeyed my voice.
So Abraham returned unto his young men,
and they rose up and went together to Beersheba; and Abraham dwelt at
Beersheba.
Ecclesiastes 8:16 When
I applied mine heart to know wisdom, and to see the business that is done upon the earth:
(for also there is that neither day nor night seeth sleep with his eyes:)
Ex-OAC: Ecclesiastes 8:14-17 There
is a vanity which is done upon the earth;
that there be just men, unto whom it
happeneth according to the work of the wicked;
again, there be wicked men, to whom it
happeneth according to the work of the righteous:
I said that this also is vanity. Then I
commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than
to eat, and to drink, and to be merry:
for that shall abide with him of his
labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. When I
applied mine heart to know wisdom, and to see the business that is done upon
the earth:
(for also there is that neither day nor
night seeth sleep with his eyes:)
Then I beheld all the work of God,
that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun:
because though a man labour to seek it
out, yet he shall not find it;
yea further;
though a wise man think to know it, yet
shall he not be able to find it.
Hebrews 6:7 For
the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth
forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Ex-OAC: Hebrews 6:8 But that which beareth
thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be
burned.
The creation – Bread Break starts here
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created
the heaven and
the earth
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What is In the beginning:
In the beginning of the
creation of the spiritual man in me.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but this is shifting the focus from God to
self-centred man. The beginning refers to the beginning of the whole of
creation before anyone was even conceived. God is the Creator of heaven and earth and all
things seen and unseen (Genesis
1:1-31, Exodus 20:11, Nehemia 9:6, Psalms 8:3-9, Psalms 33:6-9, Psalms
146:5-6, Psalms
148:1-5, Proverbs
16:4, Isaiah 42:5, Isaiah 45:18, John 1:1-3, Acts 4:24, Acts
14:15-16, Acts
17:24-29, 1
Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians
3:9, Colossians
1:16-17, Hebrews 3:4, Hebrews 11:3, 2 Peter 3:3-7, Revelation 4:11, Revelation
10:6, Revelation
14:7). The heaven and earth existed
long before we were even born. Heaven and earth didn’t wait
for us to get born first.
Romans 1:20-23 For the invisible things of him from
the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that
are made, even his eternal power and Godhead;
so that they are
without excuse:
Because that, when they
knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful;
but became vain in
their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves
to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God
into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted
beasts, and creeping things.
What is heaven:
Matthew 18:10 Take
heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in
heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Is a condition of rest unto the soul,
blessedness and peace that we will taste if we submit ourselves in the house
of the Father
and become small
as
little
children.
Such a child is an angel in heaven and beholds the face of the father which is
in heaven every day. It is a state of mind it is the place where we
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but notice that Matthew 18:10 is talking about the angels of
the little ones and not the little ones as angels.
There’s also no mention of what Heaven is and also no mention of a state of
mind. Jesus’ disciples didn’t see Him ascend into a state of mind (Acts 1:9-11). John didn’t see a new Jerusalem coming down from a state of
mind (Revelation
21:2).
Where is heaven:
Philippians 3:20 For our
conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for
the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.
From this we
understand that heaven is the place where we break
bread. As such heaven must then be where ever the community
(which we understand to be the members that make up the body of Christ) is gathered together in God’s name.
Ex-OAC: According to Strong’s, the word “conversation” is translated
from the Greek word politeuma and is
defined as:
a community, that is, (abstractly) citizenship (figuratively): - conversation.
When read in context it
is clear that heaven isn’t a
place where we “break
bread”, but that those who look to heaven for the
Lord Jesus Christ have a
heavenly citizenship. Citizenship doesn’t mean you presently reside there,
citizenship means it’s your home and where you actually belong at the end of
the day. Being a South African citizen in China doesn’t mean you’re not
physically in China. Citizenship can also change, you may be born in South
Africa but at some stage you can become an Australian citizen when Australia
becomes your home. Likewise, even though we’re physically present in the world,
through Christ (John 8:23-24, John 18:36) we get a
heavenly calling (Hebrews 3:1) and a
heavenly citizenship so that we become strangers and pilgrims on earth (Hebrews 11:13-16, 1
Peter 2:9-12).
Luke 12:32 Do not be afraid, little flock, for your
Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.
Heaven is
found within those
to whom the kingdom is given. Starting with the Apostles
chosen by God to receive the kingdom of heaven…..
Ex-OAC: Jesus was talking to his disciples of which He had many, not just the
twelve apostles (Luke 12:1, Luke 12:22). Jesus was telling them to have no fear or be anxious (Luke 12:4-7, Luke 12:22-34), one’s life doesn’t consist
of worldly riches (Luke 12:13-21).
If Heaven is within those to whom the kingdom is
given, then by implication the “departed”
would enter “apostolics” at a “sealing service”.
That sounds more like possession than Heaven to me, Jesus drove spirits out of people instead of welcoming them into
people (Matthew
4:24, Matthew 8:16, Mark 1:32-34, Mark 5:9-13, Luke 8:30-33).
Only Jesus has the key of David. There’s another key mentioned in the
Bible, the key to the bottomless pit which is held by the star from heaven which had fallen to the earth (2 Corinthians 11:13-15, Revelation 9:1-11). Be wary of anyone on earth who claims to have any kind of key and authority to open up “doors” for the dead.
John 17:9 I pray for
them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they
are thine.
….and
including all those who believe in Christ
through the words of the apostles.
Ex-OAC: Jesus prayed for eternal life to be given to as many as God had given
him (John
17:2), the men given to Him out of the world (John 17:6) and also for them which shall believe on Him (John 17:20). Nowhere does Jesus say “through the words of the apostles”.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one
that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he
that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven
Heaven is
that place that we goto when we are involved in the activities of the church
and when we are living our lives in the way of God.
Ex-OAC: After Jesus ascended to heaven, the Holy Spirit was poured out from heaven and filled Jesus’ disciples here on earth (Acts 1-2). It is the Comforter, the
Spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit sent by the Father that abides with us,
teaches us and reminds us of Jesus’ words (John 14:16-26, John 15:26, John 16:5-7, Acts 1:2, Acts 2:1-4, 1 John 5:7-8). When we are filled with the
Holy Spirit, we have the invisible kingdom
within us because we will seek God’s will above our own fleshly lusts (Matthew 6:33, Luke 17:20-2).The kingdom of
God is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost (Romans 14:17).
What is earth:
Earth = man . The following texts in
bible support this
Isaiah 66:7-8 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a
man child. Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the
earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for
as soon as Zion travailed, she
brought forth her children.
The earth is man as it is described as
having ears and
had legs. I have never seen the ground having ears. This is a human
personification. Therefore the earth must be man.
Firstly, you will not find the words ears or legs in that whole chapter.
Secondly, it’s not only a man that has
ears and legs; insects, animals, wheat, cups, tables and chairs also have ears
and/or legs.
When people speak of Mother Nature, do we
expect to see ears and legs everywhere in nature? When people speak of the
mother of all disasters, do we expect to see ears and legs in the disaster?
Zion is the symbol of ancient Jerusalem or
the Jewish religion. Jerusalem is being portrayed as a pregnant woman, not a
man (she instead of he). The prophet Isaiah starts off with
a series of rhetorical questions to prove that only God can let this type of
birth take place. Please read the entire chapter to understand this in the
correct context. Similarly Table Mountain is the symbol of Cape Town and Cape
Town is referred to as the mother city of South Africa. Isaiah isn’t referring
to the planet earth and neither is this proof that every instance where earth is mentioned in the Bible that a “man” is implied.
Revelation 12 verse 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.
Again, earth opens it mouth
and swallows.
This again is a personification.
Ex-OAC: The earth helped the woman by opening her mouth. Earthquakes and
sinkholes are a physical reality, read Numbers 16 and see how the earth opened her mouth and swallowed the people that gathered against
Moses. Those people weren’t swallowed by a personification, a man or a mind.
Matthew 13 Luke
8
Ex-OAC: This is confusing good ground with the earth as a planet. If the parable was about earth as a planet, then the other seed would’ve fallen on mars,
jupiter, venus, saturn and any of the other planets in our solar system. But,
the seed that fell on good ground are those that heard the word with honesty
and goodness. The other seed fell by the way side, on the rock and among
thorns. Remember, these are parables or illustrations spoken by Jesus to explain moral and spiritual
truths. Take note, the field is the world, not the earth. The world refers to all of the living human inhabitants of the
planet earth. See also how the parable in Matthew differs from the one in Luke. In Luke 8:11 the seed is the word of God.
In Matthew
13:38 the good seed are the children of the kingdom. In Luke 8:15 the good ground are they which heard the word in an honest and
good heart.
Psalm 50:1 The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth
from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
Again, the Lord calls the earth. For
the earth to hear it requires human properties like ears, etc.
NOTE: here we could replace the word Earth
with Man
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but no, we cannot replace the word earth with man. Did it repent the Lord that He had made man on the man (Genesis 6:6)? The whole of creation was spoken into existence by the
Creator and the creation didn’t need ears to be created. Creation doesn’t need
ears to be obedient when the LORD has spoken.
Ears aren’t needed to receive a calling,
millions of deaf people all around the world can attest to that. Your bodily
functions don’t need ears to hear the call of nature. Works of art don’t have
ears when artists create them.
Psalm 24:1 The earth is the
LORD's, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
Again we can easily replace the word earth
with man.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but seriously? Try telling the Space Agency
that we dwell in a man (unless you’re a germ or a tapeworm)...
Isaiah 11:9 They shall not
hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Again, the earth is full of Knowledge
is a personification. The earth must be man.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative but there are instances where the Bible uses
the word earth in a particular
context to refer to all the nations of the earth (Genesis 11:1, Psalms 67:1-2, Psalms 72:19, Psalms 98:1-3, Isaiah 6:3, Isaiah 11:9, Habakkuk 2:14, Zechariah 14:8-9). The words and verses
need to be read and understood in the context in which they were written. In
other instances the Bible uses the words water
or flood to refer to people and
nations (Psalms
18:16, Psalms 124:2-5, Isaiah 59:19, Jeremiah 47:2, Revelation 17:15).
Ezekial 43:2 And, behold, the
glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was
like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined
with his glory.
The earth shines with his glory –
again a personification.
Ex-OAC: Start reading at Ezekiel 40:1 then you will see that this
was all part of a vision that Ezekiel saw in the twenty fifth year of their
captivity. The LORD back then (Ezekiel 11:23) had left the city in an
easterly direction and He will enter again from the east. Also read Revelations 21:10-11 to understand the context of His glory.
Habakkuk 2:14 For the earth
shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the
LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Again a personification of the earth
having knowledge. Man has knowledge, can easily replace word earth with man.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative but no, we can’t easily replace the word earth with man. This verse actually goes a lot further than a singular self-centred
man. In this context it means that all the nations of the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD.
Habakkuk 2:20 But the LORD is
in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.
Here the earth must keep silence. Only
a man can truly keep silence.
Ex-OAC: Men, women, children and nations can also keep silence. The
verse is not referring to a man; silence isn’t only a man’s domain. This is a
prophecy about the destruction of Judea and Jerusalem for the sins of the
people. The silence is a sign of respect by the meek of the earth, and their obedience and submission to His judgments (Job 40:3-5, Psalms 46:10, Psalms 76:8-9, Zechariah 2:13).
Deuteronomy 4:26 I call heaven and earth to
witness against you this day….
To hold witness is a human
characteristic.
Ex-OAC: The heavens and the earth are called to witness against disobedient people when they are
being addressed; reading the full chapter will make the context clearer. Please
also read Deuteronomy
31:28 and Psalm 50:4 to understand the correct
context.
Forensics uses various scientific tests or
techniques to gather evidence from mute witnesses such as trace evidence. Trace
evidence can therefore also witness against criminals in a court of law. The
blood in the ground was also a witness against Cain when he slew Abel (Genesis 4:10).
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit
of God moved upon the face of the waters.
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What is without form and void:
Without form = confused and unsure and does not know the glory of
God.
Void = empty. In Afrikaans “woes en leeg” (where woes =
‘full of the desires of the world’, and leeg = ‘empty of spirit’).
Ex-OAC: It’s worth noting that the Old Testament wasn’t originally
written in Afrikaans, but in Hebrew.
According to Strong’s, the word “without
form” is translated from the Hebrew word tôhû
and is defined as:
to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless
thing; adverbially in vain: -
confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity,
waste, wilderness.
According to Strong’s, the word “void” is
translated from the Hebrew word bôhû
and is defined as:
(meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void.
From the text and the
definitions in Hebrew, it’s clear that there are no references to the earth not knowing
the glory of God or being full of the desires of the world. How can the earth be full of
the desires of the world if the earth wasn’t even
wicked with evil imaginations (Genesis
6:1-7)?
1 Corinthians 15:43-47 It is
sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised
in power: It is sown
a natural
body;
it is raised
a spiritual
body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written,
The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening
spirit. Howbeit that was not
first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward
that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second
man is the Lord from heaven.
It is clear that this is the creation
of a spiritual body not a natural one.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but when the text is read carefully, we see
that’s not what it says. The preceding verses also need to be read to
understand the context:
1
Corinthians 15:35-42 But some man will say, How
are the dead raised up?
and with what body do they come?
Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not
quickened, except it die:
And that which thou sowest, thou sowest
not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some
other grain:
But God giveth it a body as it hath
pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
All flesh is not the same flesh:
but there is one kind of flesh of men,
another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
There are also celestial bodies, and
bodies terrestrial:
but the glory of the celestial is one, and
the glory of the terrestrial is another.
There is one glory of the sun, and another
glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars:
for one star differeth from another star
in glory.
So also is the resurrection of the dead.
It is sown in corruption;
it is raised in incorruption:
We are sown in corrupt natural bodies of
flesh but at the resurrection our bodies will be new spiritual
bodies, not allegories or personifications (1 Corinthians 15:50-58). It
is clear that Adam was the first man formed from the dust of the ground and it
is clear that because we are his physical descendants, we will also return to
dust when we die (Genesis 3:19). Take note that man was only
formed on the sixth day (Genesis 1:27-31), an event that took
place after the earth had already been created (Genesis 1:1-2).
Genesis
2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
God shared His breath with man and man
became a living soul. Man wasn’t given a soul but became a living soul.
According to Strong’s, the word “breathed”
is translated from the Hebrew word nâphach
and is defined as:
to puff, in various applications (literally, to inflate, blow hard, scatter, kindle, expire;
figuratively, to disesteem): - blow,
breath, give up, cause to lose [life], seething, snuff.
According to Strong’s, the word “breath”
is translated from the Hebrew word neshâmâh
and is defined as:
a puff, that is, wind,
angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect or (concretely) an animal:
- blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.
This breath should not be misconstrued as
words spoken by some mere
mortal or OAC member with a god complex. In the beginning the Word already was which means the Word is eternal and existed before the beginning (John 1:1-3). Ten times in Genesis 1 we read “God said”. By the
word of the LORD were the heavens made (Psalms 33:6). John sums these all up as
the Word that created all things. The Word spoken by God cannot be compared to words spoken by man.
James
3:5-10 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great
things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! And the tongue is a
fire, a world of iniquity:
so is the tongue among our members, that
it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature;
and it is set on fire of hell. For every
kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is
tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
But the tongue can no man tame;
it is an unruly evil, full of deadly
poison.
Therewith bless we God, even the Father;
and therewith curse we men, which are made
after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and
cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish,
they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding:
they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
It is clear that there is a lack of
understanding of God means that we lack the knowledge and ability to do good.
We must understand the word to be able to do Good.
Ex-OAC: All the statements so far show a clear lack of understanding
and Bible knowledge. I think the following verses are well worth remembering:
2
Timothy 3:15-17 And that from a child thou hast
known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation
through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration
of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works.
Jeremiah 4:22-23 For my people is foolish,
they have not
known
me;
they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but
to do good they have no knowledge. I beheld the earth, and,
lo, it was without
form,
and void;
and the heavens, and they had
no
light.It is
clear that there is a lack of understanding of God means that we lack the
knowledge and ability to do good. We must understand the word to be able to do
Good.
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of
the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his
nostrils
the breath of life; and man became
a living
soul.
God has to breathe the life of the
spirit into you. Only when there is understanding can we get the spiritual life
of a living soul forming within us.
Ex-OAC: This is like saying that when a child is born it has no soul
because it has no understanding. Living soul implies that you’re alive as
opposed to when you’re dead. Dead people no longer have the breath of life,
quite literally! Those of you breathing and whose hearts are beating were all
physically born as living souls because God gave us life; He alone is the giver
of life. Spiritually you become a new creature when you become born again and
there are enough verses in the New Testament to get this point across without
twisting the Genesis account out of context. The same living soul in Genesis 2:7 was driven out of paradise and returned to dust just as we are
destined to become dust when we die (Genesis 3:19).
Revelations 21:1 And I saw a new heaven
and a new earth:
for the first
heaven
and the first
earth
were
passed
away;
and there was no more sea.
It is clear that when we become
spiritual we will experience the second heaven and earth (a spiritual heaven
and a spiritual earth (=man)).
.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative. Now let’s read what it really says in the Bible:
Revelation
21:1-8 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first
heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new
Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned
for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the
tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be
his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from
their eyes;
and there shall be no more death,
neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain:
for the former things are passed away. And
he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he
said unto me, Write:
for these words are true and faithful. And
he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I
will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
He that overcometh shall inherit all things;
and I will be his God, and he shall be my
son.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the
abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and
all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
brimstone:
which is the second death.
These words were written by John, one of
the twelve apostles and
he was already spiritually gifted enough to receive these Revelations from God.
He wasn’t “naturally”
minded before receiving these Revelations because he already was a servant of
God.
Revelation
1:1-3 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
and he sent and signified it by his angel unto
his servant John:
Who bare record of the word of God, and of
the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he
that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those
things which are written therein:
for the time is at hand.
Despite OAC members claiming to
have seen a new allegorical heaven and earth, there is still death, sorrow, crying and pain in the OAC. There are still the fearful,
and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and
sorcerers, and idolaters, and liars going
to church in their midst. The new heaven and earth that OAC members claim to see
is very different to what John saw.
Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without
Christ,
being aliens
from
the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers
from
the
covenants
of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.
This time before the creation (when we
are void) is a time of no hope. Of great distance from God. Of confusion
without God.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but Ephesians 2:12 is not talking about
creation.
God had already created the heaven and the earth in the very first verse of the Bible (Genesis 1:1). The Bible doesn’t just consist of Genesis 1 and the New Testament.
Man was driven out of the garden of Eden
for being disobedient (Genesis 3:23-24).
Man committed murder (Genesis 4:8).
Man became so wicked that it grieved God
at His heart (Genesis
6:5-6).
After the flood, God scattered the people
and confounded their language (Genesis 11:1-9).
That’s just some parts from the first book
in the Bible and long before Ephesians was even written.
Now let’s read the quoted verse in
context:
Ephesians
2:11-13 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles
in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called
the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ,
being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants
of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes
were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
This was written for Gentile readers
(Uncircumcision = non-Jew) because before Jesus Christ they
were aliens from the commonwealth of Israel. Through the blood of Christ the
Gentiles are graffed into the good olive tree (Romans 11:11-24). This was also a
fulfilment of prophecy regarding the root of Jesse (Ruth 4:17-22, 1 Chronicles 29:26, Isaiah 11:1-10, Matthew 1:5-6, Luke 3:32, Acts 13:22-23, Romans 15:8-13).
Romans 8:5-8 For they that are after the
flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the
things of the Spirit. For to be carnally
minded
is
death;
but to be spiritually
minded
is
life
and
peace.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law
of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please
God.
To be void means that we have not yet
put on/clothed ourselves with Jesus Christ
So void means to be fleshly or
carnally minded i.e. to be busy with the things of the world and not the
spirit.
It is clear that to be carnally minded
means to be dead
i.e. you have not been created. I will now be created from a natural to a
spiritual being
To be spiritually minded however is to
have life.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but Genesis 1:2 has got nothing to do with
flesh or Romans
8:5-8. Flesh is mentioned for the first time in Genesis 2:21 when it describes how a woman was made from one of Adam’s ribs.
To be carnally minded means walking in the
flesh such as adultery, fornication, uncleanness, covetousness, filthiness,
lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, greediness,
wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings
and such like (Matthew
15:18-20, Mark 7:20-23, Romans 1:25-32, 1 Corinthians 5:9-11, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Corinthians 6:15-20, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 4:17-31, Ephesians 5:3-7, Colossians 3:5-9, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8, Hebrews 13:4-5, 2 Peter 2:4-10, Revelation 21:8, Revelation 22:15). It is these fleshly lusts which war against the soul and
leads to death (Romans
8:13, 1 Peter 2:11).
Nowhere does the Bible say that because
people are carnally minded they are not created. Man was created to have his
own free will and it’s clear that the will of man isn’t always spiritual.
Likewise the earth was dead before there was any life on it (Genesis 1:2), yet God created the earth (Genesis 1:1).
Romans 13:14 But
put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ,
and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Galatians 3:27 For
as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
To be void means that we have not yet
put on/clothed ourselves with Jesus Christ.
Summary Point: earth=man=is without
form=without form because he is full of desire of man=void of the understanding
of God and spiritual things
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative and elsewhere in this document it states that
“The earth is in our minds”. The Bible doesn’t say earth=man=is without form=without form because he is full of desire
of man=void of the understanding of God and spiritual things.
When we clothe ourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, we
don’t make provision for the flesh by fulfilling the lusts thereof. We put on Christ when
we have been baptized into Christ. We
need to put on a new self (Colossians 3:1-17) and live a new life
in Christ (Ephesians 4:17-32).
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
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What is spirit?
Spirit = truth.
Ex-OAC: Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without
form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of
God moved upon the face of the waters.
According to Strong’s, the word “Spirit”
is translated from the Hebrew word rûach
and is defined as:
wind; by resemblance breath,
that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality;
by extension a region of the sky; by
resemblance spirit, but only of a
rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast,
breath
What is movement across the
waters?
The
face of the waters are the multitudes of people who the spirit is revealed to.
These people may be known to us or not. They may have heard the word before but
not understood. It is our job to make sure that when the water passes over them
that they are left with a clear understanding so that they can see the light
and become the second Adam.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but the waters were created (Genesis 1:1-5) before God made man (Genesis 1:26-31). The waters can therefore not be multitudes of people. People didn’t drown
in a multitude of people (Genesis 7:6-24).
1
Corinthians 3:6-9 I have planted, Apollos
watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any
thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that
planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own
reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye
are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
Apollos didn’t water with multitudes of people and Paul says only God can give the
increase. The last Adam was made a quickening spirit (1 Corinthians 15:45). Last Adam means there won’t be another, i.e. final
Adam. The final Adam also known as the second man is the Lord from heaven (1 Corinthians 15:47). This is none other
than the Lord Jesus Christ (John 3:10-15). Nobody else can become the final Adam, if that was so
then the Lord Jesus Christ
cannot be the last Adam (Matthew 24:23-26, Mark 13:21-22).
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that
it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day,
and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
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What does the light and darkness mean to me:
Light=understanding.
Darkness=lack of understanding.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative but the first chapter is about the creation
of the world. Light was there on the first day before man was even created (Genesis 1:26-31).
According to Strong’s, the word “light” is
translated from the Hebrew word 'ôr
and is defined as:
illumination or (concretely) luminary
(in every sense, including lightning,
happiness, etc.): - bright, clear, +
day, light (-ning), morning, sun
What does the evening and day mean to me:
Evening
= the end of darkness = the finalizing of the period in my life when I lived in
the flesh and not the spirit
Morning
= the start of a spiritual life = the start of the light coming into my life
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative but the first chapter is about the creation
of the world. The cycle of evening and morning existed five times before man
was even created (Genesis 1:8, Genesis 1:13, Genesis 1:19, Genesis 1:23).
According to Strong’s, the word “evening”
is translated from the Hebrew word ‛ereb
and is defined as:
dusk: - + day, even (-ing, tide), night.
According to Strong’s, the word “morning”
is translated from the Hebrew word bôqer
and is defined as:
properly dawn (as the break of day); generally morning: - (+) day, early, morning, morrow.
What does the divided the light from darkness mean to me:
We
separate the fleshly thoughts from the spiritual ones. This can only happen
when we understand the word of God. This is when we go out and testify and we
clarify the understanding of the Word. It is then that we separate the flesh
from the spirit
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative but it was God that divided the light from the darkness, not some self-centred man.
Genesis
1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God
divided the light from the darkness.
John 1:4 In him
was life; and the life was
the light of men.
Ephesians 1:18 The
eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope
of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the
saints,
Psalm 119:130 The
entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the
body
is the eye:
if therefore thine eye
be single,
thy whole
body
shall be full
of
light.
Proverbs 9:10 The
fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is
understanding
As we were the image of
the earthly (Adam earth) we are now and will be forever the second Adam (man)
made of spirit
Ex-OAC: The Bible speaks of the last Adam.
1 Corinthians
15:44-49 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written,
The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam was made a quickening
spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
natural;
and afterward that which is spiritual. The
first man is of the earth, earthy:
the second man is the Lord from heaven.
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly,
such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the
earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
The last Adam was made a quickening
spirit (1
Corinthians 15:45). Last Adam means
there won’t be another, i.e. final Adam. The final Adam also
known as the second man is the Lord from heaven (1 Corinthians 15:47). This is none other
than the Lord Jesus Christ (John 3:10-15). Nobody else can become the final Adam, if that was so
then the Lord Jesus Christ
cannot be the last Adam (Matthew 24:23-26, Mark 13:21-22). Only through Jesus Christ can
we become the sons of God and bear the image of the heavenly (John 1:10-14).
Isaiah 59:9-10 Therefore
is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light,
but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness. We grope for the
wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noon day
as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.
We were first in this darkness that is
described above but now we are in the light and we have heard the word and
understood it
Ex-OAC: Unfortunately many are still in this darkness without even
realizing it because they follow the words of men instead of the Word of God.
2
Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles,
deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no
marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it
is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of
righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
2 Corinthians 4:4 In
whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God,
should shine unto them.
Acts 26:18 To
open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of
Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance
among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Ephesians 5:8-11 For
ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children
of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and
truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with
the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Ephesians 5:8-11 For
ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children
of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and
truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with
the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Why can we not understand? It is possibly because we are blind.
Blind to the spirit
Jude 1:10 But
these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know
naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jude 1:10 And
without controversy great is the mystery
of godliness: God
was manifest in
the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed
on in the world, received up into glory.
What
was the mystery = God in flesh. I must reveal Christ in me. This is only done
through the spoken word of Testimony.
Ex-OAC: Jude 1:10 is quoted twice but with
different words. The first one is correct; the second one is not recorded in Jude 1:10.
1
Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the
mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit,
seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world,
received up into glory.
This verse is referring to the Lord Jesus Christ. For
those of you under “testimony” through the spoken words of OAC members, remember the
warning by Jesus:
Matthew
24:23-26 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or
there;
believe it not.
For there shall arise false Christs, and
false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders;
insomuch that, if it were possible, they
shall deceive the very elect.
Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore
if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert;
go not forth:
behold, he is in the secret chambers;
believe it not.
6And
God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it
divide the waters from the waters.
7And
God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament
from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And
God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the
second day.
9And
God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one
place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10And
God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters
called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
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3. STEP 3:
Prepare the soil for the planting.
Ex-OAC: There was no soil prepared for planting, God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree
yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and
the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind (Genesis 1:11-12). There was not a man to till the ground (Genesis 2:5).
Explain the
structure of our church.
What do the
hands teach us?
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, the hands teach us that there’s no limit to
man’s imagination as there is no such church structure in
the Bible.
THE RIGHT HAND
The right
hand is the strongest hand. One cannot
hold onto something without a thumb. The
thumb gives a hand its ability to unite all the fingers. The Apostle is the right hand thumb. He is the head of the family of members.
The prophet
is the index finger next to the Apostle. The prophet ‘sees’ what is going to
happen through dreams, visions and prophecies.
So we are never left alone or without direction. The index points the direction
The
evangelist is the longest finger in the right hand. When you greet someone he is the one that
approaches you first.
The pastor is
the ring finger of the right hand. He is
the shepherd of the flock. He ensures
that all the statues and ordinances are upheld in the community.
The teacher
is the small finger of the right hand.
He ensures that teaching is passed on and implemented.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but the right hand is the strongest hand for
only 90% of people. One can hold onto something without a thumb, however having
opposable thumbs helps to grasp things more easily. The thumb does not unite
all the fingers, but it has the ability to touch the other fingers.
Spiritual gifts are not literal titles,
they are diverse gifts divided by one
Spirit to every man severally as he will (1 Corinthians 12:3-11). We
are complete in Christ
because He is the head of all principality and power (Colossians 2:6-15).
The Apostle is not the right hand thumb,
the Apostle is the High Priest of our profession and He is Christ Jesus (Hebrews 3:1). He sits on the right hand
of the power of God (Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69, Acts 5:31, Acts 7:55-56, Romans 8:34, Ephesians 1:20, Colossians 3:1, Hebrews 1:3, Hebrews 8:1, Hebrews 10:12, Hebrews 12:2, 1 Peter 3:22). There is no mention of
thumbs or fingers anywhere in these verses.
False prophets are known by their false
prophecies. OAC officers are
chosen according to “prophetic gifts”. When
looking at the behaviour of these officers you have to wonder which “gift”
put them in office.
Judging by this “evangelistic” document
the “evangelist”
doesn’t read the Bible either but gives it a huge middle finger by relying on
his own imaginations.
The sketch is misleading in terms of the
pastor and teacher. The OAC do not have these as
two separate offices, but combined in the office of “overseer”. The
ring finger and small finger are therefore fused and unable to wear a ring.
Matthew
5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it
from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish,
and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
THE LEFT HAND
The left
thumb is the Elder. The head of a
community. The one that is put in place
to bring healing to those that are ill.
The elder can do handling. Just
like the Apostle is head of the Church, the Elder is head of his
Community. They therefore are linked
together.
The next
finger is the Priest. He is the Shepherd
of a community and responsible for warning his members of danger. He must also ensure that his flock is
safe. He does this by using dreams,
visions and prophecies.
Next is the
Under deacon. The longest finger of the
left hand. He is the one that helps the
brothers and sisters to communicate the will of God to the world. Those that do
not know God.
The Brothers
and Sister make up the ring finger of the left hand. They work with the Pastor to keep their flock
safe. They are responsible for their
children. The ring is also placed on
this finger when a woman and man get married.
The ring symbolises Gods truth.
It is also a circle for it has no beginning and no end.
The last is
not the least. The small finger on the
left hand symbolises the child. The
child works with the Teacher because they need to be taught the will of God.
If you put
your hands together you see that the Apostle and Elder go together, Prophet and
Priest, Evangelist and Under deacon, Pastor with Brother and Sisters and the
Teacher with the Children and you have praying hands.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but only Christ is the
head of every man and head of His church (1 Corinthians 11:3, Ephesians 5:23).
The elders refer to the respected senior
citizens in the church that can be approached for prayer and anointing when
people are sick (James 5:13-15).
Only Jesus Christ is
the Shepherd, no “priest” can
take His place (John
10:1-18, Hebrews 13:20-21, 1 Peter 2:20-25, 1 Peter 5:1-4).
Regarding prayer, the Bible speaks of
kneeling (1
Kings 8:54, 2 Chronicles 6:38, Psalms 95:6, Daniel 6:10, Luke 22:41, Acts 7:60, Acts 9:40, Acts 20:36, Acts 21:5, Ephesians 3:14) or standing (Mark 11:25, Luke 18:11) but never mentions putting
hands together for prayer. Just before the Lord’s prayer, Jesus said that the left hand shouldn’t know what the right hand is
doing while doing alms (Matthew 6:3-4).
When the Son of man comes in glory, the
goats will be set on the left hand and condemned into everlasting fire prepared
for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:31-46).
The Church is also
built in the form of a house.
The foundation
of this house is the Apostle, Prophet with Jesus Christ being the Chief
Cornerstone. (Eph. 4) The four corners
of the house is the Fourfold office. The
bricks are the members
that are held together by: Sand – Sin Water – Gospel Cement – Love
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but members should not be held
together by sin (John 8:34, John 16:7-9, Romans 6:1-23, Romans 7:7-25, Romans 8:1-11, 1 Corinthians 15:55-58, Galatians 2:17, Ephesians 4:22-32, Hebrews 3:12-15, Hebrews 10:26-29, Hebrews 12:1-2, James 1:12-18, 1 Peter 4:1-2, 2 Peter 2:12-22, 1 John 3:1-10).
1
Corinthians 5:6-13 Your glorying is not
good.
Know ye not that a little leaven
leaveneth the whole lump?
Purge out the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, even as ye are unleavened.
For our passover also hath been
sacrificed, even Christ:
wherefore let us keep the feast, not with
old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened
bread of sincerity and truth.
I wrote unto you in my epistle to have
no company with fornicators;
not at all meaning with the fornicators of
this world, or with the covetous and extortioners, or with idolaters;
for then must ye needs go out of the
world:
but as it is, I wrote unto you not to keep
company, if any man that is named a brother be a fornicator, or
covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner;
with such a one no, not to eat.
For what have I to do with judging them
that are without?
Do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth. Put
away the wicked man from among yourselves.
1
Corinthians 15:33-34 Be not deceived:
Evil companionships corrupt good morals. Awake to soberness righteously, and sin not;
for some have no knowledge of God:
I speak this to move you to shame.
2
Corinthians 6:14-18 Be not unequally yoked
with unbelievers:
for what fellowship have righteousness and
iniquity?
or what communion hath light with
darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with
Belial?
or what portion hath a believer with an
unbeliever?
And what agreement hath a temple of God
with idols?
for we are a temple of the living God;
even as God said, I will dwell in them, and
walk in them;
and I will be their God, and they shall be
my people.
Wherefore Come ye out from among them, and
be ye separate, saith the Lord, And touch no unclean thing;
And I will receive you, And will be to you
a Father, And ye shall be to me sons and daughters, saith the Lord
Almighty.
James
4:1-9 Whence come wars and whence come fightings among you?
come they not hence, even of your
pleasures that war in your members?
Ye lust, and have not:
ye kill, and covet, and cannot obtain:
ye fight and war;
ye have not, because ye ask not.
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask
amiss, that ye may spend it in your pleasures.
Ye adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship
of the world is enmity with God?
Whosoever therefore would be a friend of
the world maketh himself an enemy of God.
Or think ye that the scripture speaketh in
vain?
Doth the spirit which he made to dwell in
us long unto envying?
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore the
scripture saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace to the humble.
Be subject therefore unto God;
but resist the devil, and he will
flee from you.
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to
you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners;
and purify your hearts, ye doubleminded.
Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep:
let your laughter be turned to mourning,
and your joy to heaviness.
The door is
surrounded by the Brother, Sister and Child.
The under deacon is the door for he allows people inside and out of this
house. The windows are the Priest for he sees what is going to happen.
The Roof is
the Elder who needs to protect the community.
Ex-OAC: Very imaginative, but the “under deacon”
which is non-existent in the Bible is not the door, only Jesus is the door (John 10:1, John 10:7, John 10:9, John 14:6, Ephesians 2:18-22, Hebrews 10:19-22). There is only one way for salvation, by man comes death but
by Jesus Christ comes
life eternal (1
Corinthians 15:20-23). There is only one REAL
Jesus and He is the ONLY Messiah.
Either you have not been to their church or you are an ex-member that feels agrivated by something thats has been said that hits the spot that was true and hurt because you were not living it
ReplyDeleteYou’re entitled to your ad hominem opinion :-)
DeleteI followed the whole conversation and came to this conclusion, This officer of the oac Has not read one text ,you quoted. He was just
ReplyDeletewaiting for your comment so that he could carry on with the testimony
plan they teach, of their church. I have not seen such a blind man
like this officer in a long time. These people firstly don't know how
to read the bible. The text used is all out of context pertaining to
the Truth . The bible warns us against them. But you are doing a
great job trying to save them. I just want to say unto them, (oac) that Heaven and Hell is real. You still have a chance to repent. shalom.
Also ex OAC member. You have done an in depth analysis and well presented but the crux of the matter has been lost in the detail.
ReplyDeletePlease feel free to share your insights on the crux of the matter.
DeleteI personaly am a non-believer but i did go to church with my parents as a young boy. If i did believe in god however i would associate myself with the oac. None of what the other churches teach make any sense whatsoever (including the one i went to). Starting with the concept of being saved, i mean how can one claim to be saved when the savior is to come
DeleteAs a non-believer, what is your concept of being saved by the OAC? How do you think they can save you and what do you understand by being saved?
DeleteAs a non-believer and an atheist i easily associate with the oac because i believe in myself and my own abilities just like the oac. It’s the only thing that makes sense to me
DeleteIt’s easy to believe in oneself and one’s own abilities for as long as you have them. Unfortunately for you, yourself and your abilities are limited and temporary and can only take you so far and no further. There’s a spiritual realm which is unseen where physical abilities are of no effect, the supernatural isn’t a parable or an allegory, and it is very real. Therefore my hope and faith is in my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, He overcame death so that we can live through Him. You may have heard about Him but it’s clear you don’t know Him and I would like to introduce Him to you:
DeleteThe REAL Jesus: http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2016/08/the-real-jesus.html
Jesus is the ONLY Messiah: http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2016/08/jesus-is-only-messiah.html
Also ex OAC member. You have done an in depth analysis and well presented the crux of the matter and nothing has been lost in the detail.
ReplyDeleteTo answer your question,brother i will use the little knowledge i have of the bible. In the book of Matthew10v41-42 Jesus said to his Apostles as he was sending them "those who receive you receive me and the father and those who receive you not, reject me and the father" so in short my concept of being saved is to receive Jesus through his Apostles and do his will.If anyone can disprove the existence of modern-day Apostles then i would gladly turn to the bible to receive Jesus, brother.
ReplyDeleteIn Matthew 10:41-42 Jesus wasn’t speaking to Weyitile or Dywili or Slara or van Wyk or Nong or Robus or Mthethwa or Samuels or Foreman or Smit or Mtembu or Chakulunta or Vermaak. If you read the beginning of Matthew 10 you’ll see the names of the twelve apostles and you’ll see that He sent them to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and this was long before the OAC was founded by Klibbe and followed by Ninow, Campbell etc.
DeleteThe following two posts address your questions in further detail:
Doctrine - Apostles today: http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2016/08/doctrine-apostles-today.html
History - The schism tree: http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2016/08/history-schism-tree.html
Brother, you still haven't disproved the existence of modern-day Apostles using scripture, which by the way you are very good at. Funny you should say Jesus wasn't talking to the Ninows and the Klibbes but when he says "love your neighbor as you love yourself" then he is suddenly talking to me and you.
DeleteI think you are too patriotic in your beliefs and that makes you very biased. Sure there were schims in their church after more than 2000 years of its existence, big surprise huh. What I'm getting out of all this is that ya'll who are not Apostolics don't like them Apostles very much till this day as Jesus told the original 12 that the world would hate them.I am happy to report that whenever i read the bible, especially the New Testament i see a Need for a living Apostle in this day and beyond, otherwise then Jesus was lying when he called them "a city set on top of a mountain, one that never disappears" but then again you are going to say "oh no that's could be reference to anyone who receives christ, not necessarily an Apostle". Very subjective way to read your bible and it's very dangerous.
My comment didn’t use scripture to prove or disprove anything; I was merely stating a fact. That’s why I referred you to those two posts which make detailed use of scripture. When Jesus said "love your neighbor as you love yourself" He was most certainly talking to all of us (Matthew 5:1) because He was quoting Scripture and elaborating on it (Leviticus 19:9-18, Matthew 5:43-48, Matthew 19:16-19, Matthew 22:34-40, Mark 12:28-34). His apostles and disciples spread the same message (Romans 13:8-14, 1 Corinthians 13:1-3, Galatians 5:1-15, James 2:1-13).
DeleteThe message of your modern day apostles is exactly what Jesus warned us against.
Matthew 24:23-28 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
You believe your modern day apostle and that’s why you “see a Need for a living Apostle in this day and beyond” because they convinced you that the Apostle and High Priest of our profession isn’t Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
I discussed this in further detail here:
Doctrine - OAC’s version of Jesus http://oldapostolicchurchrevealed.blogspot.co.za/2017/06/doctrine-oacs-version-of-jesus.html
For the record the word “apostolic” is not written anywhere in the Bible. We do however read of Christians and that the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch (Acts 11:25-26). Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ almost convinced king Agrippa to become a Christian (Acts 26:28-29). If any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf (1 Peter 4:16). Furthermore, after the apostles were sent out to evangelize the world to become Christian, they ordained bishops (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 2 Timothy 4:22, Titus 1:5-16, Titus 3:15) and deacons (1 Timothy 3:8-13). Christianity has continued to grow worldwide ever since then, so Jesus certainly wasn’t lying.
As for the rest of your remarks, that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to your opinion.
@ Anonymous:
DeleteI don’t know which version of the Bible you’re reading but according to my KJV Bible, Jesus never said to His original 12 apostles that they were "a city set on top of a mountain, one that never disappears", but He did tell the great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan that followed Him and His disciples “Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid” (Mat 4:25, Mat 5:1, Mat 5:14, Mat 7:28-29). The OAC and their apostles are not exactly "a city set on top of a mountain…", especially since they’re so secretive and their “policy that does not allow the Church or its Officers to participate formally on social media”…
@ Anonymous:
DeleteAlso according to my KJV Bible, Jesus didn’t tell His disciples that the world would hate them because they were “Apostolics” or because they were called apostles.
Jesus sent His twelve apostles to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and He warned them that He was sending them as sheep in the midst of wolves. They would be delivered up to the councils, scourged in the synagogues, brought before governors and kings for Jesus’ sake, and hated of all men for Jesus’ name's sake (Mat 10:5-22). The OAC on the other hand never preach Jesus or His Name, they preach about themselves, their self appointed apostles and their “apostolic way of life”…
Jesus warned Peter, James, John and Andrew that they would be delivered up to councils, beaten in the synagogues and brought before rulers and kings for Jesus’ sake. They would be hated of all men for Jesus’ name's sake (Mat 24:3-9, Mar 13:3-13). Which of the OAC’s apostles have ever been beaten in the synagogues and brought before rulers and kings for Jesus’ sake?...
Jesus told His disciples (of which He had more than 12) that if the world hated them, they should know that it hated Him before it hated them. The reason why the world would hate them is because they are not of the world because Jesus chose them out of the world (Joh 15:18-19). The OAC also hate Jesus because they deny Him by referring to themselves as the resurrected Christ… The blood that He physically shed on the cross means nothing to the OAC because they believe in their own blood and their own works…
Wow very insightful brother. I'm not one too proud to say i have heard when i have.
Delete@Xolani, some points and references for you to ponder:
DeleteI am a:
humble (i.e. NOT proud)
[PRO 8:13, PRO 16:5, PRO 16:18-19, PRO 18:12, ECC 7:8, MAR 7:21-23, LUK 1:50-52, ROM 11:20, 1 TIM 6:17-19, JAM 4:5-6, 1 PET 5:4-6]
Christian (i.e. NOT apostolic)
[ACT 11:26, ACT 26:28-29, 1 PET 4:16-19]
A Christian is a follower of Christ. An apostolic is a follower of a false apostle [2COR 11:13-15].
There is only one Apostle spelled with a capital letter, and He is also the High Priest of our profession, His Name is Christ Jesus [HEB 3:1]. He is the only living Apostle that can send the Comforter [JOH 16:7] which is the Holy Ghost [JOH 14:26]. Furthermore, Jesus only chose twelve apostles when He was physically here on earth and He gave them power to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease [MAT 10:1-4, LUK 22:14, REV 21:10-14]. Paul was the last and the least of all the apostles to see Jesus [1COR 15:7-9]. Paul wrought the signs of an apostle among the Corinthians in patience,
signs,
and wonders,
and mighty deeds [2COR 12:12].
When the eleven apostles chose another to take Judas' bishoprick, it had to be someone that:
1. was with them all the time that Jesus went in and out among them,
2. beginning from the baptism of John unto the same day that Jesus was taken up from them,
3. only one would be ordained that was also a witness of Jesus' resurrection.
Only two out of the about an hundred and twenty disciples met the three criteria set out above to qualify as an apostle, namely:
1. Joseph Justus (Barsabas)
2. Matthias
The eleven apostles then prayed to the Lord to show which of these two He had chosen to take part of the ministry and apostleship from which Judas had fallen. The lot fell upon Matthias to be numbered with the eleven apostles [ACT 1:12-26]. These apostles didn't go around ordaining more apostles after that, they built church communities and ordained elders as bishops, and deacons to serve tables in their communities [ACT 6:1-7, PHP 1:1-2, 1TIM 3:1-13, 2TIM 4:22, TIT 1:5-9, TIT 3:15].
The Christian church is built upon the foundation of the above mentioned apostles (New Testament) and prophets (Old Testament) of which Jesus Christ is the chief corner stone [EPH 2:19-22]. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ [1COR 3].
Now I have the following questions for your “modern-day Apostles” who claim to have the “office” of Apostle:
1. who ordained you as an Apostle?
2. when did you see Jesus of Nazareth?
3. in which hospitals and clinics are you healing people of all sicknesses and diseases?
4. which signs, wonders and mighty deeds have you performed and where?
5. when were you with the eleven apostles while Jesus of Nazareth was preaching, from the time John baptised Him till the time He was taken up from them into heaven?
* all verses used as reference were found in the KJV and AFR 33 translations
They believe in the doctrine of Klibbe not in God. They still practice the word of Klibbe even after so many years. God is a human to them.
ReplyDeleteMr. Nwisdom, YOU HAVE THE CAT BY THE TAIL!!!! I'm an OAC, and you lie thru your teath!!!!
ReplyDeleteDo you know what will be helpful? State the facts as you see them, point by point if possible. Let me give an example:
Delete"A" says the apple is green, but I don't believe "A" because I personally have a red apple.
Anybody can just make a broad statement and say it's a lie, but to refute an argument you need to state facts or give references. On this blog it would be especially useful to quote from the Bible as the standard of truth.