Waiting
for Jesus
An OAC
member wrote: “...I do not wait for Jesus anymore,
because He lives, He live in me, If you are taking Jesus in your heart, why
waiting for Him...” Sic
- It is the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, sent by the Father that abides with us (John 14:16-26, John 15:26, John 16:5-7, Acts 1:2, Acts 2:1-4, 1 John 5:7-8).
- Jesus went to sit on the right hand of God (Mark 16:19, John 7:33-34, John 13:33, Acts 7:55-56, Acts 9:3-7).
- Jesus is the Bridegroom (Matthew 9:14-15, Mark 2:18-20, Luke 5:33-35, John 3:27-29, Ephesians 5:23-32).
- We should always be ready by having enough oil in our lamps like the five wise virgins because we know neither the day nor the hour wherein the bridegroom (Son of man) will come (Matthew 25:1-13).
- Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb (Revelation 19:7-9).
Whatever is
done unto the least of His brethren is also done to Him (Matthew 25:31-46). Any parent
that loves their children can understand this. Any older brother who feels
protective over his other brothers can also relate. If someone does something
to the smallest of your children or the smallest of your brothers, then it’s as
if they’re also doing it to you, even if you’re not physically present. That’s
the kind of love He has towards us, He was even prepared to die for us of which
there is no greater love (John 15:12-15).
Old Nick, an
OAC member who calls himself “God’s medium” (2 Corinthians 11:13-14) wrote:
“...Onthou net een ding. Daar was nooit n physical
Jesus op aarde nie... Jesus praat deur gesindhede, wat diere of mens kan
wees... wat nie die physical human body is nie...”
For those of
you who don’t understand Afrikaans, old Nick is saying that there never was a
physical Jesus on earth. Old Nick however firmly believes that humans are
evolved animal spirits.
His belief
makes me think of what Jesus said in John 8:42-44.
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| Old Nick's ancestor? |
Luke 24:39 Behold
my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit
hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Hebrews 3:1-3 Wherefore,
holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High
Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; Who was faithful to him that
appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. For this man
was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded
the house hath more honour than the house.
Hebrews 7:20-28 And inasmuch
as not without an oath he was made priest: (For those priests were made without
an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and
will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) By
so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. And they truly were many
priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: But this
man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore
he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing
he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became
us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher
than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up
sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he
did once, when he offered up himself. For the law maketh men high priests
which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh
the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
Hebrews 10:10-14 By the
which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus
Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and
offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But
this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on
the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his
footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Old Nick therefore
rejects the one sacrifice that Jesus made for ever. Only the
precious blood of the Lamb can redeem us (1 Peter 1:18-19). We are all as an unclean
thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6). The rags are
filthy because our own works are stained by our own sins. By grace are we saved
through faith which is the gift of God, nobody can boast about their own works
(Ephesians
2:8-9).
Titus 3:3-7 For we
ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers
lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one
another. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man
appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and
renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus
Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made
heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Jesus
offered Himself without spot to God to purge our conscience from dead works to
serve the living God (Hebrews 9:12-14).
Hi!
ReplyDeleteHere are some great verses showing that Jesus BODILY rose again. These verses were after He rose, and went to the Disciples.
John 20:27 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Luke 24:39-43: Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them.
Behold the hands! Behold the feet! A spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have! He took fish and honeycomb, and did eat before them! Not quite what you would expect of a mere spirit, hey.
It is important to know that Jesus Christ died, was buried and was BODILY resurrected - cults like the Jehovahs Witnesses deny that. And cults like the OAC deny Jesus's literal existence and sacrifice for us.
1 Corinthians 15:14-15 - And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found FALSE WITNESSES OF GOD; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
Thanks for these verses, I used them in another of my posts "The REAL Jesus". As I update my posts in more detail I'll add these verses. It's tragic that people who claim to go to "church" and claim to be "Christian" would actually deny that Jesus ever died for them and then try to achieve righteousness through their own works.
DeleteHello, This Old Nick is surely Lost. Hope that someday he see the light before it is to late
DeleteI personally sat at a meeting in 2001 when the apostel Boshof said that the apostles has decided that JESUS did exist in the flesh. So old Nick go back to your overplaced and ask him to find out or you must start to believe the Bible
Hi to all
DeleteIt is the freestate members who belief that Jesus whas not in flesh they belief that He is with in them Idont know if they chance there belief to the rest of south Africa members there was two times that its been tild to me the first was a underdiaken and then a priest how does that work two different beliefs but one church
Wonderful post! We will be linking to this particularly great article on our website.
ReplyDeleteKeep up the good writing.
sihle kewana in western cape at cape town
ReplyDeleteyes beloved ones he was in flesh before and he died for us because of his love that he proposed into our temples when he was knocking into our head and hearts with his love. His holy spirit and love ,forgiveness, faith still alive whom are being in stored into a new person that we are bathandwa bam enkosini.
The Old Apostolic Church believes in the resurrection of the dead..1Cor15:13/1Cor15:21...who is going to oppose me
ReplyDeleteGoeie dag geliefde,na watter dood verwys u
DeleteSpiritual death yes , but you need to understand as there are many deaths. Maar ligaamlik sal jy nooit weer opstaan as jy die natuurlike dood gesterf het.
DeleteEarl William Van Wyk
Delete1 vraag Glo jy in die Kruising, OPSTANANDING en opvaar. volgens die woord.
Steve Symons
Deleteverstaan jy dit in die gees , die kruisiging wat ons nogsteeds moet deurgaan vandag as die kerk , die opstanding in my roeping en die opvaring na my owergestelde
Steve Symons
Delete..Jesus die Seun van die mens was gekruisig en begrawe,As Jesus as mens weer opgestaan het,is dit vir ons nie so belangrik nie want Heilige skrifte getuig van Sy geestelike opstanding in n verheerlike liggaam..1Petrus3:18/Joh12:23-24/..
Jy moet ook weergebore word om die Heilige skrifte te verstaan
If u take up your cross then it's resurrection
DeleteSpiritualy yes 100%
DeleteThe natural man flesh and blood will never rise again once he has passed on
DeleteWrong. The OAC is a giver of life. Life in itself is infinate. There is no death only life. However a life without light is death.
DeleteHand 9:4 en hy val op die grond en hoor ‘n stem vir hom sê: Saul, Saul, waarom vervolg jy My?
DeleteHand 9:5 En hy sê: Wie is U, Here? En die Here antwoord: Ek is Jesus wat jy vervolg. Dit is hard vir jou om teen die prikkels te skop.
(Die lede aan die liggaam van Jesus Christus is die ander trooster en Sy vlees waarin Hy opgestaan het.)
No Gerald Jacobs, the Old Apostolic Church does NOT believe “in the resurrection of the dead..1Cor15:13/1Cor15:21”.
DeleteThe OAC does NOT believe that Jesus of Nazareth physically stood up out of the grave after being crucified and ascended to heaven.
Resurrection as defined by the Concise Oxford Dictionary:
1. rising of Christ from the grave; rising again of dead at the Last Judgement.
2. exhumation (lit. or fig.), resurrecting, (~ man, (Hist.) body-snatcher), whence ~IST (l) n.; ~plant, club-moss of genus Selaginella or rose of Jericho, unfolding when moistened after being dried.
3. revival after disuse or inactivity or decay, restoration to vogue or memory.
4. Hence ~AL. a. [ME f. OF, f. LL resurrection –onis (as RESURGENT; see –ION)]
Resurrection as defined in the KJV Bible (Strong’s G386):
ἀνάστασις - anastasis
From G450; a standing up again, that is, (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, general or by implication (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth): - raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.
(Matthew 22:23-33, Matthew 27:50-53, Mark 12:18-27, Luke 14:12-14, Luke 20:27-40, John 5:19-29, John 11:17-27, Acts 1:21-26, Acts 2:29-36, Acts 4:1-22, Acts 4:32-37, Acts 17:16-34, Acts 23:6-8, Acts 24:14-21, Romans 1:1-7, Romans 6:1-14, 1 Corinthians 15:12-49, Philippians 3:5-11, 2 Timothy 2:16-18, Hebrews 6:1-6, Hebrews 11:32-40, 1 Peter 1:3-12, 1 Peter 3:17-22, Revelation 20:1-6)
As pointed out by you and your fellow officers, you would rather believe in:
“…thoughts and understanding…” Patrick Steer
“…Maar ligaamlik sal jy nooit weer opstaan as jy die natuurlike dood gesterf het…” Earl William Van Wyk
“…die kruisiging wat ons nogsteeds moet deurgaan vandag as die kerk , die opstanding in my roeping en die opvaring na my owergestelde…” Earl William Van Wyk
“…Sy geestelike opstanding in n verheerlike liggaam..1Petrus3:18/Joh12:23-24…” Gerald Jacobs
“…If u take up your cross then it's resurrection…” Mac Silinda
“…Spiritualy yes 100%...” Simon Butler
“…The natural man flesh and blood will never rise again once he has passed on…” Simon Butler
“…The OAC is a giver of life. Life in itself is infinate. There is no death only life…” Nolan Weich
“…Die lede aan die liggaam van Jesus Christus is die ander trooster en Sy vlees waarin Hy opgestaan het” Hans Matthysen
The Bible is shallow enough for a child to understand, yet deep enough for an adult to drown in:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
The Bible only speaks of ONE Jesus as Christ:
DeleteThe SAME Jesus that existed before He became flesh (Genesis 1:26, John 1:1-3, John 8:54-59, 1 Corinthians 10:1-4).
The SAME Jesus that was physically born as a person (Matthew 2:1-6, Luke 2:1-7, John 1:14).
The SAME Jesus that personally handpicked twelve disciples to become His apostles approximately 2,000 years ago (Matthew 10:1-4, Luke 6:12-16).
The SAME Jesus that was physically crucified on a cross (Matthew 27:32-44, Mark 15:21-32, Luke 23:26-43, John 19:16-27).
The SAME Jesus that died on a physical cross (Matthew 27:45-56, Mark 15:33-41, Luke 23:44-49, John 19:28-37).
The SAME Jesus that was buried (Matthew 27:57-61, Mark 15:42-47, Luke 23:50-56, John 19:38-42).
The SAME Jesus that came back to life as HIMSELF, a flesh and bones person, NOT as a spirit:
Luke 24:36-43 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself:
handle me, and see;
for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them.
The SAME Jesus that ascended up into heaven and will come in like manner as His disciples saw Him go:
Acts 1:9-11 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up;
and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
The SAME Jesus that is still a singular man and NOT a crowd of people:
1 Timothy 2:5-6 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
The SAME Jesus that will return is NOT the OAC:
Hebrews 13:8-9 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace;
not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
Further reading:
DeleteEvidence the Resurrection of Jesus Christ Happened
The Case for Christ's Resurrection
Historical Evidence for the Resurrection
PS: @ priest Hans Matthyssen, the Comforter is NOT the church (John 14:15-31, John 15:26-27, John 16:4-15). Please read your whole Bible and read the verses in context, reading single verses out of context is NOT how the Bible was meant to be read.
Iets vir so bietjie evangelistiese kant 🏻
DeleteWatter teks is 'n dodelike teks wat onteenseglik bewys dat daar nie 'n wederkoms -
"volgens die wêreld" sal plaasvind nie 🤷🏻♂️
Tip 🏻 Mattheus ........
Mat 6 v 20 maar maak vir julle skatte bymekaar in die hemel, waar geen mot of roes verniel nie en waar diewe nie inbreek en steel nie;
DeleteMat 25 v 34 Dan sal die Koning vir die wat aan sy regterhand is, sê: Kom, julle geseëndes van my Vader, beërf die koninkryk wat vir julle berei is van die grondlegging van die wêreld af.
Mat 6 v 33 Maar soek eers die koninkryk van God en sy geregtigheid, en al hierdie dinge sal vir julle bygevoeg word.
Afrikaans 1933/1953 MATTHÉÜS 16:27-28 Want die Seun van die mens staan gereed om met sy engele in die heerlikheid van sy Vader te kom, en dan sal Hy elkeen vergeld volgens sy dade. Voorwaar Ek sê vir julle, daar is sommige van die wat hier staan, (kyk na tydperk)
Deletewat die dood sekerlik nie sal smaak voordat hulle die Seun van die mens in sy koninkryk sien kom het nie.
Dag od Joubert x Wil graag dt verstaan Kan Di geliefdes my fall help on dt sigbaar t maak ASB ♀️🤷♀️
DeleteOnthou sr, die dag wat ons Jesus Christus aangeneem het, het Hy reeds vir ons gekom. Hulle wat die dood sekerlik nie sal smaak nie. Hulle wat nog vleeslik lewendig is sal Hom reeds sien voor die dood, natuurlik. Hy gaan nie op wolke weer kom soos die wêreld bespiegel nie. As Jesus kom met Sy engele (blye boodskap draers-getuienis veld)
DeleteAmen baie danki nu het dit lig geword by my geliefdes🤝
DeleteEk het reeds die teks gegee
DeleteMatt 16:27 & 28
Ek is bly om te sien die geliefdes neem bietjie deel in antwoorde op vrae 🏻
Ai ai “onderdiaken” Joubert, die wêreld glo glad nie dat daar ‘n wederkoms gaan plaasvind nie, hulle glo nie eers in Jesus Christus nie! Lyk my u glo nes die wêreld? Het u al ooit moeite gedoen om die hele Bybel te lees? Of het u dalk die bladsye uitgeskeur wat handel oor die wederkoms? O nee wag, u “apostel” het seker nog nie daai belering met julle gedeel nie want dit pas nie by julle doktrine nie?
DeleteMoenie MATTHÉÜS 16:27-28 verwar met Jesus se beloofde wederkoms nie (Handelinge 1:6-11). Jesus het Homself lewend aan Sy apostels vertoon ná sy lyde deur baie kentekens. Hy het gedurende veertig dae aan hulle verskyn en oor die dinge van die koninkryk van God gespreek tot op die dag dat Hy opgeneem is (Handelinge 1:2-5). Dieselfde Jesus wat van hulle opgeneem is in die hemel, sal net so kom soos hulle Hom na die hemel sien wegvaar het (Handelinge 1:11). Naamlik as Homself, nie ‘n verbeeldingryke “wolk” wannabes nie!
Het u al die ander verse gelees wat met MATTHÉÜS 16:27-28 ooreenstem (Matteus 16:28, Markus 9:1, Lukas 9:27)? Daar lees ons ook van die koninkryk van God en van sommige wat daar gestaan het wat die dood sekerlik nie sou smaak voordat hulle die Seun van die mens in sy koninkryk sien kom het nie. Lees wat ses dae later gebeur het. Al drie die evangelies gee verslag oor Jesus se gedaanteverwisseling nadat Hy die stelling gemaak het. Petrus, Jakobus en Johannes was ooggetuies op die berg toe Jesus met Moses en Elia gepraat het (Matteus 17:1-13, Markus 9:2-13, Lukas 9:28-36).
Petrus, een van “sommige van die wat hier staan, (kyk na tydperk)” toe Jesus hierdie uitspraak gemaak het, het self die gedaanteverwisseling van Jesus op die berg gesien. Nie met kunstig verdigte fabels (apostolie taal) nie, maar as 'n ooggetuie.
2 Petrus 1: 16-18
Want ons het nie kunstig verdigte fabels nagevolg toe ons julle die krag en koms van onse Here Jesus Christus bekend gemaak het nie, maar ons was aanskouers van sy majesteit;
want Hy het van God die Vader eer en heerlikheid ontvang toe hierdie stem uit die luisterryke heerlikheid tot Hom gekom het:
Dit is my geliefde Seun in wie Ek ‘n welbehae het. En hierdie stem het ons uit die hemel hoor kom toe ons saam met Hom op die heilige berg was.
Later het die dissipels op Pinkster die uitstorting van die Heilige Gees gesien (Handelinge 2:1-13) en die koninkryk van God is geregtigheid en vrede en blydskap in die Heilige Gees (Romeine 14:17).
Lees ook 1 Korintiërs 15:51-58, 1 Tessalonissense 4:13-18 en 1 Petrus 5:1-4, hopelik is daai gedeeltes in u Bybel nie uitgekrap of uitgeskeur nie.